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  • in reply to: EADS Barracuda UAV / UCAV …. #2600893
    Rob L
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    Looks cool. It looks a bit like Sky-X don’t you think (the picture shows the Alenia Sky-X)?

    http://www.neat.se/press_info/ATI_Nov05/thumbs/24_Sky-X_pad_450px.jpg

    in reply to: Rafale orders revised downward? #2601035
    Rob L
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    I didn’t know and don’t believe that the cuts in F35 and F22 improved the aircraft, they were budget cuts.

    in reply to: Rafale orders revised downward? #2601407
    Rob L
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    In my opinion, even if the Rafale doesn’t get sold more, I’m happy that the Armée de l’Air and the Aéronavale get a better plane. That’s why I think it is good news.

    I think that should be the first and foremost thought of any Frenchmen/Brit etc… in regard to Rafale/Typhoon.

    in reply to: Rafale orders revised downward? #2601561
    Rob L
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    Well there are two aspects of an aircraft export:merit and politics, in politics, F35 and Typhoon will nearly always win so the only sensible thing to do is increase Rafales capability. So AESA is good news. I hope Typhoon will get AESA somtime soon, perhaps we should ask the Saudis if they want to fund it! 😀

    in reply to: Eurocopter HTH? A new heavy lift? #2603315
    Rob L
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    I was under the impression that some time soon the UK wanted to buy replacements for the Puma/Sea King combo, probably EH101s and and even more Chinooks. :rolleyes:

    in reply to: JASSM vs STORM SHADOW/SCALP EG vs TAURUS KEPD 350 #1820470
    Rob L
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    A question regarding Storm Shadow/Scalp:

    Is the production shared between UK/France, i.e. do British Storm Shadows have Frenchbuilt components and do French Sclaps have British built components? And what about the exports?

    in reply to: Eurocopter HTH? A new heavy lift? #2603399
    Rob L
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    I wish the UK would get on board with AgustWestland Yeovil, after all the UK Chinooks will have to be replaced in the future.

    in reply to: Top 10 Attack Submarines (i.e. SSN's & SSK's) #2066104
    Rob L
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    I’d put Astute over Barracuda anyday. Actually Astute has very similar characteristics to the Virginia class.

    in reply to: Hellenic Navy (News & Views). #2069897
    Rob L
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    Wasn’t Vosper Thornycroft involved in some frigate deal with Greece, has this died? :confused:

    in reply to: Emirates A380 #617102
    Rob L
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk

    Emirates in $10bn shopping spree
    By Sylvia Pfeifer (Filed: 20/11/2005)

    Emirates, Dubai’s flag-carrier airline, is set to place orders totalling more than $10bn (£5.8bn) at the country’s air show which starts today. The order will include more than 40 of Boeing’s wide-bodied 777s.

    The airline is also believed to be ready to announce an order for as many as 50 Airbus A350s, the rival to Boeing’s fuel-efficient 787 “Dreamliner”. Emirates had been expected to announce the order at the Paris air show earlier this year but held off. Boeing has since tried to persuade Emirates to choose a stretched version of the 787 instead.
    Emirates’ first Airbus A380, the world’s largest passenger jet
    The Airbus A380, the world’s largest passenger jet

    Executives close to the dicussions said last night that a final decision was finely balanced.

    The bumper order from Emirates is part of the airline’s aggressive expansion plans. It is the launch customer for the Airbus A380, the world’s largest passenger jet. An A380 in Emirates livery took to the skies for the first time yesterday in Dubai ahead of the official opening of the air show.

    Separately, China is today expectected to announce a deal with Boeing to buy 70 of the company’s 737 aircraft – the announcement is timed to coincide with US President George Bush’s visit to Beijing this week.

    The US aerospace giant has secured 733 firm orders this year already, substantially more than the 272 orders it received last year.

    in reply to: Rafale ad: fair comment or darned cheek? #2605524
    Rob L
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    You guys keep coming with numbers, to try to prove how much the British Aerospace industry have done….

    Please show me evidence of the 1260 prototypes France built and flew between 1945 and 2005 as you claimed just that , otherwise once again you have been proven to be a liar.

    Question WAS: When was the last time it produced a high performance/front line fighter on its own?

    Answer: Sea Harrier. some time ago isn’t it?

    Again this does not make any sense. Some do it on their own because they believe they need 50% of a programme and then everyone else gets pissed off by their stupid behaviour and some can collaborate with others, that doesn’t mean Britain couldn’t do it on their own. BTW nice that you mention it, VSTOL, a technology France never mastered by producing a series aircraft, not just some prototype which often crashed such as the Balzac.
    Also note that the last one would be the BAE Sea Harrier FA2 first flown in 1988, so really it’s a bit younger than the Rafale, the last indigenous French high performance fighter. :dev2: (Note: The Sea Harrier FA2 had structural differences, also new avionics etc… and is considered by most an own new fighter) And even the Sea Harrier FRS1 would only be a few years older than the Rafale (first flights: 1978 versus 1986)

    As for comparing the number of prototypes, we can argue with the number of home made as well, the point is HIGH performance isn’t going to be found in large number in the UK as the only companies which were able to design them are long gone and the only one still capable to a limited extand isn’t doing it for nearly twenty years.

    Once again you are talking absolute bull****. The BAC TSR 2, FD 2, Panavia Tornado, BAe EAP, Eurofighter, Bristol 188, De Havilland Venom, Gloster Meteor, DH 108, English Electric Lightning etc…… are all “high performance” fighters/ prototypes, more to the point the UK also developed long range bombers (Valiant, Victor and Vulcan) something France lacks.

    Rob L have a long history of bein inventing stuff to the extand that he believes the JAS 39 was designed by BAE as well as part of the F-35, overlooking the fact that the aircrafts were already designed and ignoring the fact that redesiging for production tooling is somethingh else, don’t waste your time with him, he already knows the the French Aerospace industry in Number two worldwhile. He likes ihs little figures you see. They all do apparently. Jealousy is creeping out.

    Again you are plainly lying. What I said is that BAe had a part to play in the design of both Gripen (you actually conceded this point to me in a private e-mail) and F35 (for the F35 this is something Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and BAE SYSTEMS ALL verify), I never said they designed a majority of those planes.

    in reply to: Rafale ad: fair comment or darned cheek? #2605535
    Rob L
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    Did you remember the Fieldmaster, Islander, Trislander and Defender (I’m editing this post so can’t see…..)

    I actually remembered the Britten Norman aeroplanes but didn’t include them, I’ll edit it. I’ve not included all of them, I think showing that the French produced more flown designs is already too hard for poor Fonk, and I’m not even rubbing it into him that he claimed that France had 10 times more prototypes (i.e. over 1260 prototypes!!!) 😀

    @PilotTGHT:

    http://www.cfm56.com/excel/graphics/pie9.gif

    This image of yours is one hell of propaganda. First of all the CFM series is only to 50% SNECMA and secondly your image is not representing the whole bandwidth of engines. Also note that the propulsion business of SAFRAN (i.e. SNECMA has a turnover of 3 Billion Euros compared to about 6.5 billion Euros the Aerospace units (Civil and Defence engines) of Rolls-Royce do. Let’s see what Rolls-Royce has to say:
    http://www.investis.com/rollsroyce/presentations/2005-02-10/images/Slide44.gif
    http://www.investis.com/rollsroyce/presentations/2005-02-10/images/Slide47.gif

    in reply to: Rafale ad: fair comment or darned cheek? #2605637
    Rob L
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    Altogether I come up to 126 UK prototypes/aircraft since WW2, so if you “PilotTGHT” or “Fonk” can provide evidence of 1260 French prototypes/aircraft since WW2, the claim by Fonk is true, if not your just plain pathetic liars. Note all of these aircraft have actually been built and flown, derivatives of Mirage, e.g. Mirage 2000-5, Mirage 2000C do not count as I didn’t include Tornado F3, GR4, GR1, ECR etc……….. Of course Mirage-III for example would be a seperate entry.

    EDIT: I listed them alphabetically by manufacturer and gave some production numbers. 😎

    in reply to: Rafale ad: fair comment or darned cheek? #2605664
    Rob L
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    I’m sorry I think I’ll have to correct myself upwards, just a little. These are 129 British prototypes/aircraft after WW2.

    Sorted by manufacturer (production numbers of the most famous ones):

    Airspeed Ambassador (23)
    Airspeed Consul (161)
    Armstrong Whitworth A.W.52 (2-Prototype flying wing)
    Armstrong Whitworth Apollo (2- Prototype)
    Armstrong Whitworth Argosy (A.W.650 and A.W.660) (73)
    Avro Athena
    Avro Vulcan (136)
    Avro 707 (5- Delta Prototypes)
    Avro 748 (384)
    Avro Shackleton (191)
    Avro Tudor (38)
    Aerospatiale/BAC Concorde (20 supersonic passenger jet)
    BAC Strikemaster (146)
    BAC 111 (242 passenger jet)
    BAC TSR.2 – cancelled (1)
    Beagle Bulldog (320)
    Beagle Pup (173)
    Beagle B.206 (81)
    Blackburn B-48 (2 prototypes of a carrier strike aircraft)
    Blackburn B-54 (3 prototypes)
    Blackburn Beverley (49 four engined propeller transport)
    Blackburn Buccaneer (206)
    Boulton Paul Balliol
    Boulton Paul P.111
    Boulton Paul P.120
    Bristol Brabazon
    Bristol Britannia
    Bristol Belvedere
    Bristol 170 Freighter and Wayfarer
    Bristol 188 (2 -prototypes)
    Bristol Sycamore (160 – light helicopter)
    British Aerospace 146 (388 includes 2 RJX prototypes)
    British Aerospace EAP (1 experimental aircraft)
    Britten Norman Islander (1200 – still in production)
    Britten Norman Trislander
    Britten Norman Defender
    De Havilland D.H. 108
    De Havilland D.H.125
    De Havilland Chipmunk
    De Havilland Comet (DH.106)
    De Havilland Dove
    De Havilland Heron
    De Havilland Sea Vixen (151 carrier-borne fighter)
    De Havilland Venom (1513 – 126 built under licence in France)
    De Havilland Trident
    English Electric Canberra (1382 – 979 built in the UK, 403 in the USA)
    English Electric Lightning (341)
    Eurofighter Typhoon (638 on order -still in production)
    Fairey Delta One – prototype
    Fairey Delta Two – prototype
    Fairey Gannet (352)
    Fairey Gyrodyne (3 – helicopter prototype)
    Fairey Rotodyne
    Fairey Spearfish
    Fairey Ultra-light Helicopter
    Folland Gnat (455 jet trainer)
    Folland Midge
    Gloster E.1/44
    Gloster Javelin (433)
    Handley Page H.P.115
    Handley Page H.P.88
    Handley Page Herald
    Handley Page Hermes
    Handley Page Hastings
    Handley Page Basic Trainer (2 – prototype)
    Handley Page Jetstream (555)
    Handley Page Victor
    Hawker Siddeley Harrier/British Aerospace Sea Harrier (816 – 490 built by HS/BAe and 326 built by MDD)
    Hawker Siddeley Hawk (over 900 ordered – still in production)
    Hawker Siddeley Kestrel
    Hawker Siddeley Nimrod
    Hawker Hunter
    Hawker P.1052
    Hawker P.1072
    Hawker P.1081
    Hawker P.1127
    Hawker Sea Hawk (557)
    Hunting Percival Jet Provost (587 Basic Jet Trainer)
    Miles Gemini
    Miles H.D.M. 105
    Miles Boxcar
    Miles Aries
    Miles Marathon
    Miles Merchantman
    Miles Student
    Miles Sparrowjet
    Panavia Tornado (994)
    Percival Prentice
    Percival Prince
    Percival Provost (388)
    Saro Skeeter
    Saro SR.53
    Saro SR.A/1
    Saro Princess
    Saro P.531
    Scottish Aviation Pioneer
    Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer
    Sepecat Jaguar
    Short Belfast
    Shorts S.B.5
    Shorts S.C.1 – VSTOL Prototype
    Shorts Sealand
    Shorts Seamew
    Shorts Sperrin
    Shorts Skyvan (154)
    Shorts Solent
    Shorts Sturgeon
    Shorts Sherpa
    Shorts 330 (141)
    Shorts 360 (165)
    Supermarine Attacker
    Supermarine Scimitar
    Supermarine Seagull ASR.I
    Supermarine Swift
    Vickers Viking
    Vickers Viscount
    Vickers Valiant
    Vickers Valetta
    Vickers Vanguard
    Vickers Varsity
    Vickers VC10
    Westland Dragonfly
    Westland EH101 (176 on order – still in production)
    Westland Gazelle
    Westland Lynx (464 – still in production)
    Westland Puma
    Westland Scout
    Westland Wasp (140 light helicopter)
    Westland Westminster
    Westland WG.30 (40 medium helicopter)
    Westland Widgeon (Helicopter)
    Westland Wyvern

    in reply to: Rafale ad: fair comment or darned cheek? #2605667
    Rob L
    Participant

    Just to add a few to Jacks list:

    Fairey FD1, Saunders SR.A1, Avro Type 706 Ashton, Short S.B 5, Short S.B1, Handley Page P115, Bristol Type 188, Saunders-Roe SR 53, Short S.C 1, Hunting H126, Bristol Brabazon etc………

    So for this statement to be true:

    “about 10 time as many prototypes designed/flown”.

    France would need at least 380 prototypes. (as Jack and I named at least 38 British prototypes/series aircraft and we not even named all of them, so the real number you’d have to come up with is probably somewhere near 500 French prototypes/aircraft. :dev2:

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