Slightly revised C3
120m mono hull
3500 tonnes
Crew 50 + aircrew
Diesel IEP propulsion
Speed 25 Knots
Range 8000 nm
4.5 Inch gun from old ships
1 Phalanx 1B CAMM
MCM equipment
Survey equipment
9m RHIB
Hanger for merlin
That’s about what VT Group has proposed, theirs is:
100m
3000t
Accomodation for 76
76mm or 30mm
Diesel powered
25 knots
SAM provision
Steel hull
Flight deck for a Merlin
Link.
http://www.vosperthornycroft.co.uk/shipbuilding/newsdetails.asp?print=1&ItemID=716
HMS Clyde (1900t, 30mm, flight deck, air search radar, CMS-1, crew of 34) was built and is initially being operated by VT Group for iirc 3 years for 30 million pounds (60 million dollars). I think C3 should be a slightly larger Clyde (add hangar, more RM accomodation, enough space for a SAM [but not fitted initially just build it so that in a crisis a SAM could be fitted on the ships within 2-3 weeks*]) coming in at no more than 40 million pounds build costs. That would enable the RN to buy more than 12 and in numbers about sufficiently replace the MCMVs.
* not sure how realistic this is
The way forward for the Harrier are incremental upgrades. When all are GR9 I could imagine a new standard coming up to bring it to its OSD around 2020.
And Oman will probably make it three export customers and about 111 export aircraft. π
Here is what the Ampersand is based on. π Would make a nice autogyro UAV for small ships.

From what I read it has six weapons stations and in that article (will try to find it, might have posted it already) it said it would have 4 Paveway 4 and 6 Brimstone (triple launcher) when it eventually gets armed (with racks that’s somewhere between 3000lbs and 4000lbs), that’s in addition to FLIR, Synthetic Aperture Radar and other sensors. The engines by the way are R-R RB250s with together about 700kW, a bit more than a Reaper has.
All up weight thus should be somewhere between 4000 and 7000kgs and thus quite a bit heavier than Molynx iirc.
I’ve had a look, he isn’t commenting. π
BAE are also getting an airship built and are testflying an autogyro, at the moment with a pilot, later as an UAV.
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BAE Testing Helium Airship for Civil Surveillance
By andrew chuter
Published: 15 Jul 13:15 EDT (17:15 GMT)
Print Print | Print EmailFARNBOROUGH, England – BAE Systems is giving a new twist to old technology with a plan to go into the airship-building business.
The company intends to test-fly a 22-meter-long airship designed by balloonist Per Lindstrom. Known as the GA22, it is scheduled to fly for the first time later this year – probably in September.
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* Air WarfareThe vehicle, now just a technology demonstrator, could become a regular feature of the skyline, providing civil and military surveillance and communications-relay capabilities.
The modern-day zeppelin would differ from those early airship pioneers, though: The GA22 will be autonomously controlled, using technology being developed by BAE for sophisticated UAVs.
Modern airships also use a nonexplosive gas, making them much safer than the old zeppelins.
BAE is better known for its work on high-speed combat aircraft like the Typhoon, not slow-moving airships, so the company turned to Lindstrom for the design of the GA22. The company late last year purchased the rights to a series of Lindstrom designs for 200- to 500-cubic-meter airships.
The test ship is currently being put together at Lindstrom’s balloon and airship factory in Oswestry, England.
Lindstrom previously built a similar airship for the Spanish Air Force. The remotely controlled Spanish vehicle, retired from its surveillance role, now is operated by a Spanish university.
Richard Williams, BAE’s director of research and technology delivery for unmanned air systems, said the 400-cubic-meter airship now under construction in Britain will carry a mission payload of about 150 kilograms and remain airborne 16 to 20 hours, depending on the weather.
The airship, which is powered by two small 14-horsepower engines, will be fully autonomous, with its flight path programmed into the vehicle before it leaves the ground.
BAE started out looking for a platform that could provide communications relay for the military, Williams said, but quickly realized the airship could have a great future as a civil surveillance platform – policing events like the Olympics and shipping lanes like the English Channel.
Customer demonstrations could get underway as early as next March, he said, but the airship’s introduction will be paced by the civil aviation authorities’ work on the clearance of UAVs to operate in controlled airspace. That could be about 2012, Williams said – when London hosts the Olympic Games.
That flight restriction wouldn’t necessarily apply to military applications, though.
The GA22 is one of a series of new unmanned platforms unveiled by BAE. Yesterday the company announced it is leading a consortium building a General Atomics Reaper-sized UAV as a technology demonstrator in partnership with the British Ministry of Defence.
Like the GA22 and other products in the company’s quickly expanding UAV portfolio, the vehicle, known as Mantis, will use high levels of autonomy.
In its display at the air show here, BAE also showed a model of an Ambersand autogyro, which it is beginning to experiment with for potential maritime applications.
As with the GA22 and the company’s in-production conventional Herti UAV, the Ambersand has been purchased and adapted for BAE requirements.
Test-flying with a pilot on board is now under way at the company’s Warton, England, site.
BAE officials say they hope to begin trials next year of the autogiro, kitted out with autonomous flying controls.
Link.
http://www.defensenews.com/osd_story.php?sh=VSDF&i=3627281
BAE Mantis will have a 24 hour endurance.
Link.
http://www.defensenews.com/osd_story.php?sh=VSDF&i=3625470
BAE Mantis has a 24 hour endurance. π
Link.
http://www.defensenews.com/osd_story.php?sh=VSDF&i=3625470
Awesome. π
BAE Systems to take wraps off Mantis UAV
July 14, 2008
DefenseBAE Systems unveils the Mantis UAV at its outdoor exhibition site today. The Mantis, shown in full-scale model form, is armed with GBU-12 laser-guided bombs and Brimstone missiles on its six weapon pylons. The twin-prop, T-tailed vehicle is equipped with a multi-sensor turret and radar under the fuselage, and a satcom antenna in the upper nose section. It employs a triplex flight control system. The vehicle appears to be in the same class as the Reaper hunter-killer UAV, which the RAF currently flies in Afghanistan.
The Mantis is being developed as an advanced concept technology demonstrator, jointly funded by the UK Ministry of Defence. Industrial partners include Rolls-Royce, QinetiQ, Selex Galileo, GE Aviation and Meggitt. Design and manufacture of both the air vehicle and its ground infrastructure is already under way, with an aim to fly early next year.
The Mantis benefits from BAE Systemsβ experience in low-cost advanced construction techniques, and provides for plug-and-play options for testing different systems. It brings together technologies and capabilities to demonstrate the potential of a large UAV to support the UKβs operational needs.
BAE Systems has embarked on a focused strategy to become a major player in the multibillion-dollar U.S. market. On display alongside the Mantis are the Herti and its armed Fury derivative. Other unmanned systems are shown in model form in the companyβs display hall, including an autogyro design called Ampersand.
Link.
http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/bae-systems-to-take-wraps-off-mantis-uav/
I think it looks much bigger than Fury. π
The Saudis are interested in buying up to another 60 Typhoons. π
I think your analysis is probably right, though lets see what they say tomorrow. But even a ‘Reaper just late’ is pretty good. π And so or so the development of the UK and BAE Systems in the UCAV/UAV arena seems incredible, from zero to leader in Europe and respectable on the world stage within about 4 years.
Here a image-fest of BAE UCAV/UAVs. π
BAE Taranis
BAE Mantis
BAE Fury
BAE Herti
BAE Raven
BAE Corax![]()
BAE GA22
Also some more news.
BAE Systems develops UAV airship.
Link.
http://www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/autoGen_108612133939.html
BAE Systems Jetstream surrogate UAV.
Link.
http://www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/index.htm
BAE Systems Fury to make public debut at Farnborough 2008.
Link.
http://www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/autoGen_108611161633.html
As for edging ahead of the US, I didn’t mean the UK ahead of the USA, but BAE Systems as a company ahead of say Boeing in the UCAV/UAV terms because their portfolio is far broader.
Any size and weight estimates?
My guess:
8 metres long and 14 metre wing span, all up 4000kgs.