Paveways and Brimstones on the mock up! Two propeller engines! 😀


Even if a successful Indendance vote occured during the build phase it would be pretty much irrelevant to the CVFs.
There would be a divorce period during which the mechanism of power are separated and new ones are grown.
Work would likely be completed or beyond the point of moving it elsewhere … at huge expense and time-line delay.
And besides why shouldn’t shipyards in an Independant Scotland not build Ships for other countries?
If you think that England would place a single order beyond CVF (yes that would probably not be shifted) in Scotland if Scotland is independent then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Or can you point out to me when the last British destroyer/frigate was built in Italy or Ireland? Portsmouth and Barrow-in-Furness would be celebrating if Scotland becomes independent, it would mean the ca. 8000 Scottish warship building jobs (all in all, BVT, Rosyth, etc…) would be created in Portsmouth and lost in Scotland. Afterall the Royal Navy would still have ca. 90% of its funding but Scotland at the moment gets far more than 10% (HMNB Clyde, CVF, etc…) of that. Note how Ireland does not have a huge warship building capacity but often buys British, in a decade the same would happen with Scotland because you do not sustain skills by ordering three OPVs a decade.
Also noteworthy, Babcock (HQ London, new CEO Mike Turner) and BVT (HQ Portsmouth, CEO Alan Johnston) are English registered companies with English CEOs, they would not blink once if the then English&Welsh MoD tells them to protect English jobs and close the Scottish yards. And believe me the former VT Group Portsmouth yard is more than capable of doing the whole FSC programme. They after all repeatedly win export business and currently are the only yard to hold large export contracts (Oman, Trinidad & Tobago). Business does not have the “everything will be rosy” attitude of the seperatists. Business actually works within a concept called “reality”.
I think there is a reason why the shipbuilding unions are fiercly unionist. But don’t get me wrong, as long as Scotland is part of the union I will cheer everysingle Scottish job CVF sustains or creates (and not only because I have Scottish relatives) and I think it is brilliant how all parts of the UK are working together on this, it shows that we are stronger together than apart, and that’s what the union is about, better lifes for everyone.
The EADS had more money and more clients since the beginning (the consortium countries), but had not the experience of the Dassault and came up with a costly plane that can’t export easily outside EU , because of the unfavourable euro-dollar exchange rate.
1) If you think Dassault has more experience than BAE, EADS and Alenia put together then imo you’re mad.
2) Exchange rates vary and France participating would have changed nothing.
3) Eurofighter has achieved more exports outside the EU than inside at the moment.
4) I’m glad France isn’t in Eurofighter. With a bit of luck we can kill off Dassault in the military export market.
The French government and Dassault talk a lot during a hard day’s night. 😀
BAE Systems are increasingly marketing their UAVs, recently they refused to say if they had a first export customer for the HERTI before Farnborough 2008, so hopefully Farnborough will be good. 🙂
Eurofighter’s air-ground capabilities have advanced considerably.
RAF Typhoons have dropped 43 Paveway 2s, 8 E-Paveway 3s and 16 normal 1000 lbs bombs in the USA.
Some may think the Typhoon isn’t the best plane. Or choose some other plane for political reasons. Or look in between for the others planes just in case. Life isn’t white and black.
Crazy isn’t it ? lol
Or the French talk the talk but don’t walk the walk, be assured that even though Dassault as always screams the loudest there are other talks on-going.
From what I understand BAE Systems has extensive RCS facilities at their Southside facility (UK equivalent to Skunk/Phantom works) in Warton.
Awesome. 😀
RAF looks to long-range Typhoon
Conformal fuel tanks and other enhancements to extend the strike range of its Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft are emerging as requirements for the UK Royal…
09-May-2008
Austria might buy or lease new trainers, with the BAE Hawk and an Italian plane (MB339, M346?) the frontrunners.
Link in German.
http://www.oe24.at/zeitung/oesterreich/politik/article300681.ece
Talking from an industrial point of view AgustaWestland in the UK has really been on the upward slope since having to cut nearly 1000 jobs a few years ago. The MoD signed a Strategic Partnering Agreement (based on FLynx!), the military management was shifted from Italy to the UK, the AW101 final assembly line was shut in Italy and 2 Italian aircraft “shifted” to the UK for assembly, the AW149’s main centre will be Yeovil, new orders have been secured. So this is the new situation and why I’m very optimistic about Yeovil:
So if FLynx continues Yeovil would have 3 final assembly line (FLynx/Super Lynx, AW101 and AW149), something they haven’t had in a while. Please don’t destroy that UK government. Somerset is not very “productive” for Labour, only 1 out of 9 MPs are Labour and Yeovil itself is one of the seats where Labour stands basically no chance at all to gain the seat (50%+ for LibDems, 30%+ for Tories, 10%+ for Labour.). Hopefully the government won’t be looking at MPs when deciding about this one, just don’t cut it. 🙂
According to AgustaWestland:
Apparently all time and cost milestones have been met. Hitting AgustaWestland now is very unfair and in my opinion so ridiculous at this point of time that it won’t happen. 🙂
NH90 at 4.5 million pounds? You’re joking right? I think they are talking about the EC145. But so or so, cutting Future Lynx is ridiculous and would be a dreadful decision, the development is basically complete, the prototype has been under construction for around 7 months now with its first flight to be in 2009, so the part that makes it more expensive than say an off the shelf solution has already been spent. Cutting Future Lynx might cost the UK a critical capability in military and industrial terms.
I can’t answer all of those, but I’ll do my best:
Canada Snowbirds – narrowly missed out on the Swiss Hawks – new built Hawks rumoured from time to time
Austria – competition to be held with Hawk, M346, T50 – however cheap is the name of the game so maybe used aircraft which would rule out M346 and T50
Finland – recently bought 18 Swiss Hawks, iirc are upgrading their old Hawks too
Especially as all references cite Pprune, so it’s one “source” from a rumour site. Hope nothing happened. 🙂