quantum do you have a smiley master-list or something ? I’m ever amazed by your ability to pull up the most appropriate smiley for the situation.

[B]Now, there is nothing to distinguish the airframes of MKI and MKK. They are distinguished by their internal equipment. Airframe-wise, there is near complete commonality.

WHAT ? 😮 okay, I’ve nothing more to add. if even this much is not known to you further discussion with you is a complete waste of time. :rolleyes:

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So I repeat for the second time :- Malaysia chose to opt HAL’s equipment, and Algeria chose not to opt for HAL equipment. There goes your “‘standard equipment on MKI variants'” conjecture out of the window anyway.

no it doesn’t. I’ve provided proof in support of my statement.

Algeria chose not to opt for HAL equipment.

source ? proof ? your statements or arguments won’t do. neither will goebbelsian tactics.
to prove your point you need to provide valid links. not bluster.

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I think he is correct. You said, “Indian components (mission computers etc IIRC) do end up on other specimens of the mki family in other countries i.e the MKM and MKA.” True, they do, but they are NOT standard fitment on all non-Chinese variants of the Su-30. In any case they end up there, only because the customers opted for them. Malaysia’s MKM, for example, did not opt for Israeli components for obvious reasons.

:rolleyes: how many of the ‘non-chinese flankers’ are MKK derived and how many are MKI derived ? what % of MKI derived aircraft does not have Indian components ? look it up, it will be enlightening stuff for you. for someone who posts so authoritatively on every topic you make far too many factual mistakes.
and I’m not even talking of the absolutely ridiculous ‘NAL hansa should be HPT-32 replacement’.
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yes swerve, that’s the period I meant, ZIL got it.

Really, than how did the Su-34, T-50, Su-35 come about if all funding and personel were working on Strategic systems? You’ve oversimplified it I think as the bottom line is for the RuAF the T-50 has been the most important task at hand. We know that it is regarded as extremely important to Russia hence Mr Putins close following and involvement in the project. His own statements make that perfectly clear infact!

typhoon, just look at the numbers which got inducted. how many su-34 are inservice ? what is the production rate ? even the su-35 project is funded by sukhoi bureau itself. and let’s not forget that all these are derivative of the basic flanker, not a completely new design. for the most part russia’s aero industry has had to fend for itself in the post USSR period till first half of 2000’s.

in the areas where international demand won’t have sustained capability, the russi govt provided barely enough funding to somehow retain the competence and skillset, nothing more. T-50 appears to be the first aero project in a long time that breaks this trend.

It is not his trust you should question but the RuAF and Sukhoi’s. The reason for that has been pointed out in this thread by Levsha. If we go by the development cycle so far we can see we have been let down over and over again. I think many of us were shocked that it did actually start flying this year after year after year of delays and false first flight dates, I know I sure was.
The hard fact of it is that the odds for the T-50 entering military units by 2015 are weighted very firmly against Sukhoi pulling this off based on past performance of this project. To pull it off would be a miracle to put it mildly.

I agree. wrote something similar. (see 2nd post of this thread)
it’s possible that they mean IOC by 2015 while full spectrum capability would come later, around 2017-18 IMO. RuAF can well induct a few samples after IOC. that may explain this statement.

Please read more carefully. I wrote all. I deliberately did not preclude Indian equipment being fitted to aircraft sold to some export customers, but nothing Indian is a standard part.

swerve, India’s version of the flanker is the su-30mki aka flanker-H and the Indian made (and designed) components are “standard equipment” on ‘all’ mki versions AFAIK.

the mkk is a different aircraft with a completely different lineage that was developed around the same time as the mki and expecting India made MC’s (for example) to be featured on chinese flankers is sheer political naivete IMHO.

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abhiman, swerve is “not” correct, see above. as for the rest of your post, not infrequently I fail to grasp your point and this time is no different.
if your point was to argue that mki is not a JV or some such, well it’s NOT my contention that it is. it’s a russian aircraft customised according to IAF’s specifications that incorporates equipment from a host of countries including India, France and Israel that is manufactured in India under license.

all I did was to correct some statements by swerve that were factually incorrect.
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away from all this hair splitting, some much more exciting news.
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/02/photos-lca-navy-first-flight-target-end.html

PHOTOS: LCA Navy First Flight Target End 2010
LCA navy being fabricated !

India do not want to call their front line fighter ‘PAK’ FA.

somehow I doubt that’s the reason. the naming is to differentiate FGFA from PAK-FA.

You have a point about needing to bring people together for a war to start, which is fine and from some comunity gatherings I have been to I can definately agree to your point. However my point was that those targets that will come towards the border will be better handled by pinaka and artillary and will be more cost effectively dealt by those artillary systems. Last time i checked sniper rifles do not have a reach of 200km+.

please do note that, i do not mean the above to mean that we should not have any Brahmos at all, i mean to mean that we should prioratise for atilary and MBRL’s and worrry about Brahmos for the Army as a third option.

Brahmos missiles carried by mirage or Su-30’s that can hit airfields up north or missiles with long enough range that can hit those targets are something worth buying.

no sir, of the weapons in our inventory the targets I mentioned can be handled by brahmos and brahmos alone, not by pinaka or anything else. the combat roles are for the most part mutually exclusive.

Last time i checked sniper rifles do not have a reach of 200km+.

and ? that’s a little facetious don’t you think ?