In the interests of continuing this discussion, I would refer you to this article by Admiral (Retd.) Nadkarni. While I may not agree with all his assessments and some of his views have been overtaken by history, at least he presents – what is to me, a much more coherent analysis of the facts than the overly rosy picture that you presented – if you’re willing to look at a different point of view.
If not….well – let’s agree to disagree
http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/13nad.htm

I’m not in the business of painting pictures my dear, whether rosy or orange flavoured. I gave you the facts, you couldn’t digest it and went along throwing a tantrum.

now, in 2009, Adm Nadkarni’s article would be a GREAT embarrassment to the person himself, given how far off he was in his predictions and projections in 2001. if half of what se said came true you would surely have read his columns castigating LCA program in the intervening years. the very fact that his pen has been silent this last 8 years is ample proof that he was wrong.

it has been rebutted often times, this is just one example http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE3-5/narayanan.html

just FYI, the author is a respected academic of the subject himself. google him up if you want to.

Fair point, it does give an option.

especially in NE where it may not be possible to provide tanker support till well into the next decade when the fleet expansion takes place.

to add to that, a number of the tech that will go into MCA is already ready or will be by the time the project starts viz. FBW (unless they go for FBL), glass cockpit/HMDS, composites, radar etc.

unlike when the LCA started there is no need for a TD phase anymore, IAF itself understands that quite well.

On the second sentence, how can you so confidently say?

if you want to see an exact quote I can’t, I’m just extrapolating assuming IAF to be a rational player. 🙂

X-post.

SHAR on INS Viraat, possibly the first pics of LUSH.

note the dual rail launchers. ID the missiles.

image courtesy, K_Rohit @ BR.

Save your sarcasm for others of your ilk who have their heads perpetually buried in the sand and function in the belief that if a viewpoint doesn’t agree with yours – its a hatchet job!

If there’s any hatchet job its a reverse hatchet job that only the blindly partisan rah rah conmen like you have been inflicting on the Indian public!

I’m not wasting time or bandwidth to contradict you – if you don’t like my opinion – I’m happy to have you disagree.

aha, it comes down to personal attacks as soon as the edifice of fantasy has been knocked down with facts ! :rolleyes:
so predictable !

Save your sarcasm for others of your ilk who have their heads perpetually buried in the sand and function in the belief that if a viewpoint doesn’t agree with yours – its a hatchet job!

as against you and your ilk that has to crawl into every IAF thread uninvited and flame away ?

I’m happy to have you disagree.

I’m happy to have got under your skin ! :dev2:

if my post brings out an acerbic reaction from trolls and flamers like you, it means I’m doing something right ! 😉

Not only did the stingers have the advantage of being fired from elevation , but firing in that atmosphere also increased the engagement envelope of the weapon..that is something the IAF hadnt considered before the start of operations.

and the low temp background increased the sensitivity of the seeker.

BTW, the jaguar did have one PGM strike in kargil to its credit using the ATLIS pod.

is it too much to expect that people will write clearly understandable sentences ?
your sentence still doesn’t make sense.

navyman, AoA reached is 20 deg by july 2008 according to LCA Program Director PS Subramanyam as against IOC requirements of 22 deg.

if anyone has the “High AoA testing for LCA” article saved please upload it. the link has gone dead.

Similarly, MCA will go through this.

very unlikely. India’s aeronautics industry has matured enough with the LCA and associated projects that a sequential time wasting development profile is not preferable. if the MCA is sanctioned (earliest by 2013-14 IMHO), expect it to be a full-fledged fighter project from the start.