thanks for the entertaining thread, scooty !! :D:D

well, till now I don’t know where the russians have committed atrocities.
they have restricted themselves to military targets according to most sources.

AFAIK, the georgians started to get a little uppity with US support and what not, and moved into s.o which had been living an de-facto independent existence since the early 90’s, killed some peacekeepers and some 2000 civilians (most of them in their home in tskhinvali), not to mention the large # of refugees flowing into russia.
now if you expect that russia would just sit on its thumb when s.o’ians were getting killed (with 90% having rus passport and n.o being russian territory ) and preach peace to them, well….. let me just say this, a military forum is no place for you.

now of course when the russians do retaliate they will try and destroy the current georgian regime rather than deliver a “proportionate response”.

and the fact that most of the s.o region is within shelling distance from georgia means that russia will have to take out georgia’s military machine, right ?
what would you do ?
also, the fact that the soviets attacked a lot of countries doesn’t automatically mean that russia has done the same. do remove those tinted glasses and see the light. If you still think otherwise, kindly expound but in another thread.
BTW, I’m not russian, so this biased/non-biased business doesn’t matter to me.

p.s. sorry for the OT post. mods, plz remove if necessary.

On the Indian point of view, I believe they should (at least secretely) support the Russian attack. Why? Because any nation that invests as much money on it’s military services CERTAINLY desires the prior precedent of other nations taking matters in their own (military) hands. It is quite pointless to have a major military force and at the same time not having the political/geopolitical freedom to use it as the national leadership sees fit.

Do I make any sense?

very ! :dev2:

I have no doubt NATO, EU, and the world as a whole will be sending a great deal of aid in the very near future. In the short-term I guess NATO and the EU should just attack Russia………….Really, what do you expect them to do!

been playing that old C&C2 lately, have you ? :p

I respectfully doubt that………..If, Russian continues the conflict with Georgia. India will have little choice but to distance itself from the former Evil Empire!

in case you are interested, visit any Indian website and find out exactly who is considered evil this time of the year ! 😉

p.s. useless thread though !

any idea who the operators might be ?? AF ?

from google, (somewhere from this site only)

originally posted by Pit on BRF

Russia develops K-100-1 for Su-35
Reuben F Johnson JDW Correspondent
Jane’s Defence Weekly – July 11, 2007

Officials from Agat Research Institute, which is developing the seeker, confirmed that the K-100-1 is the KS-172 relabelled and that the missile has a large diameter (350 mm) Agat seeker — a variant of the 9B-1103M seeker originally developed for an active-homing version of the R-27 AAM.

“We refer to this seeker design as the ‘shayba’ [Russian for ‘hockey puck’] when we are talking about it at the design bureau because it is wide and squat in its shape compared to the rest of the 9B-1103M derivatives,” an Agat technician said.

“The lock-on range for the seeker is 40 km, but this is of course one fifth or less than the overall range of the missile,” said one designer.

plawolf, if the ‘puck’ can actually demonstrate this range, which is certainly not impossible against a large target like an awacs, it will activate it’s seeker at this range and go for the kill.
mid course guidance would see it to approximately 40 km away from the awacs and upto this limit, error in vectoring the missile by the parent craft shouldn’t pose too big a problem. at those distances, course correction in terms of angles would be quite small, considering that the awacs would be relatively quite slow compared to the missile.
even mid-course guidance should see the k-100 well within an engagement envelope for its on-board seeker.

What is the logic behind putting KS-172 on PAK-FA? RCS reduction on PAK-FA would reduce the range at which it is detected, meaning it will be able to make use of the gaps and get a lot closer to the AWACS (without being detected) than other 4th gen fighters. If so, it could make use of its normal long range BVR missiles. .

RCS reduction or not, any fighter would like to take a relatively certain shot from as far away as possible. a KS-172 would have that much bigger NEZ than a normal LRAAM.

….. Although it is said that it will be able to engage targets manuevring at 12G…to do so it will have to be able to manuever itself at 40 odd Gs…and I wonder if a missile of such size and deimensions could actually do this?

why would an awacs/transport killer need to engage targets maneuvering @ 12 g’s ? :confused: