Nitin_VHere you go. The above article was apparently mistaken.
MilTech July 2004
BRAHMOS can be launched from many platforms: land-based wheeled transporter-erector-launcher (TEL) vehicles, warships, submarines and combat aircraft. The system was originally designed for vertical launch, but at least as regards existing vessels the Indian Navy will rather deploy it with conventional angled (15°) container/launchers while the vertical launch mode has been adopted for the land-mobile coastal defence version. The service does not appear to have an immediate interest in the submarine-launched version (the subsonic CLUB missile is rather being procured), while work is in progress to integrate BRAHMOS with the Su-SOMKI multi-role combat aircraft of the Indian Air Force.
The first land launch of BRAHMOS took place on 12 june 2001 at the DRDO’s Interim Test Range (ITR) in Chandipur-on-Sea. The first live firing took place on 12 February 2003 from the Indian Navy’s guidedmissile destroyer, INS RAJPUT, Final tests are underway and series production will begin in 2004, at a planned rate of 200 missiles peryear.
In addition to the Indian domestic requirements, BrahMos Ltd. is confident that they could capture about 20% of the international cruise missile replacement and update market, estimated at some 10,000 missiles over the next ten years. This could be a $4 billion business for the company, and initial export customers are anticipated from the Middle East and East Asia.
Nitin_VThe Article on the Brahmos in MilTech speaks of a higher production rate. If you wish I can find the excerpts and post them here.
Nitin_VNitin *cough*Karna*cough*,
If India was able to swiftly attack Pakistan it would have done so several times. We should stop personal bashing others and see one as superior to the other. It is clearly not the reality. An do not forget that indian navy cnc told openly that India was left behind. You must have more info then he.
Stop running into superiority complex in every PAK India topic. It is degrading the forum.
Thanks.
Call me what you want son. I couldnt care a hoot. Why dont you check the archives and see who I am? :rolleyes:
Oh wait, that would take more brains and research than you have demonstrated till date. :rolleyes:
“Personal attacks”- LOL. Selective quotation indeed. Poor Star and Phrozen have to be protected at all costs after their effen display on this thread.
Boy o boy, you crack me up . One of your brethren says I have a superiority complex, another inferiority. Make your minds up, children. It aint too hard.
Nitin_VNitin
There is a big difference. P-3Cs and Chinese Frigates are very much on the way, Indias Scorpene debate is still going on and is very far from being a done deal. In terms of modern weapons systems, PN outclasses IN in several areas, its just numbers that give IN a huge edge
Tosh!
The Indian Krivaks outclass the Chinese frigates. India’s LRMP’s are being upgraded. The IN’s overall capability is far more than the PN’s with extensive datalinking of sensors and now weapons data. Then theres the Gorshkov. Then there are the P17’s whose production has already commenced.
http://www.mdlindia.com/annual_reports/repo_2001_02_a.htm
I am afraid your patriotism is blinding you to the obvious. Ask anyone vis a vis the PN-IN matchup and its clear wherein the edge lies.
As regards the P3C’s, you’d be kidding me if you think India wont matc that acqusition and then some.
Nitin_VNitin
By all means, keep wasting your time…it does not harm my health. Only proves my point even further that many from ‘certain regions’ (and i’d remind u again ‘from both sides’) do indeed suffer from severe inferiority complex…something rather surprising in this modern day and age.
PS. Lets leave it at that.
And I can continue to ignore the pious hypocrites.
Nitin_VNitin
Right now the PN has a more modern aviation and submarine arm. 4 new Chinese frigates are on order. All PN ships have/will have CWIS. The same cannot be said of the IN.Yes, PN is smaller, but with construction of MESMA Agosta, capability to make more and the induction of more Chinese frigates, if you think PN will stop modernising, the only person you are fooling is yourself….
Also expect the latest block of Harpoon when we get our 8 additional P-3Cs
PakThunder,
Reasonable posts deserve reasonable replies. But when some immature fool calls the Indian fleet junk and makes odious references, debate is pointless.
With regard to your point- I fear you are incorrect. As of *now*, the PN fleet is definitely underequipped vis a vis the IN’s. The 3 Agostas dont swing things appreciably. If you factor in the P3C’s, yet to be delivered, i could also factor in the Scorpenes and other stuff on the table now.
The PN may modernise, but you would be fooling yourself if you think India will not engage in overmatch.
Nitin_Vso you ***** just love ruining Indian threads huh ? wait on, we’ll return your favour in more than kind. :diablo:
No point. Just debate here. After all they are guests and should be treated accordingly. :rolleyes:
Nitin_Vand who do you think Karna, oh I mean Nitin is?
Dear tenth standard child, I fear you are confusing me with a certain Mr Pharkle aka Karna, lately of BR, lately banned, also no friend of mine, who loves me as much as you do. Been to BR lately, we did have a nice tete a tete’. You guys do love it after all.
Take it up with him. Apparently he’s a regular on many forums and has deep contacts (sic.) within RAND and the IAF. Very impressive, I am sure.
If BR was up, I’d give you links. But then again, if BR was up, I’d rather spend my time there than wallow in the cesspool created by you and others of your lying immature ilk.
Just like Nazis to the West. You should be saying wow, there ballistic missile programs were and may are more advanced than yours.
Nazi’s to the west. Wow! poor Nazis cant compare to the Islamic ubermenschen! What rhetoric! I am impressed. :rolleyes:
Fact is IAF knows its in a mess (replacing migs), they order today or tommorow, the planes will come in similar time frame as LCAs, at best rates..there might only be 100-150..or being extremely optimistic..say 200 units replacements for much more number of Migs. Either they’ll all get bo-kata, or will be grounded.
If wishes were horses….there are certain things called upgrades and mid life updates which skewer your wildly optimistic predictions.
PAF Cheif said its a bonus,
After going to every nation and wailing about lost honour and dignity and how essential F16’s were to salvage their national pride.
besides, its the Indian lobby begging not to sell “old” was it? F-16s. Despite Pakistan’s “useless acquisitions”
The Indian “lobby” does its job. That is, lobby to make sure the Pakistani dictatorship does not get its hands on any weapons. Deal with it.
LOL indeed, FC-1 can blast the hell out of early BVR-less F-16s. (and thats where the comparison is against, not block 60),
And that makes it 80% of the F16? LOL indeed!!
Give me a F16 with an APG66 and proven performance against your mythical bird that is the first aircraft designed and develped by an AF (CATIC sat around and twaddled their thumbs, yeah right!)
and no we dont make wild comparisons, unlike…*cough* flanker vs raptor…
My my, you did that as well? I thought FC1 vs Flanker was a stretch by itself, now this. Whats the world coming to? Is that what they teach in school nowadays?
Nitin_Vwhy PAF statement is not enough regarding H-2 and H-4. F-7PG came in 2002 unlike MIG-21 Bis from 1995.
ROFL. Wheres that statement? Another example of your fertile imagination?
arjun is still not 60% indiangenous or should i post the article and your face will be red 😀
60% ? ROFL. Still better than 100% Chinese or North Korean and repainted green and make Pakigenous!
ne or show me the evidence of others.
Does one have to prove something so obvious?
For cripes, the AQ KHan – north Korea axis is old news. Get with it.
PN chief is not crying in public unlike IN chief or should i show it.
Whats the point of him crying? He’ll get crumbs anyhow in an army dominated establishment, now that he got his Agostas. That’ll be all the PN gets till forty years.:D
question is not of PAF F-16 but india whinning about it and thats why PAF wants it to **** of India. PAF chief has publicly declared F-16 bonus not a requirement. hehe
“****” ? Temper, temper. The PAF chief has repeatedly debased himself by chanting F16, pls pls at every tom, d!ck and harry. Poor sod even begged the Belgians. Requirement indeed! 😉
Nitin_VGuys can we keep this Griffen based
Nitin
could u please ignore previously banned memebrs who have managed to get themselves reincarnated in newer avatars?
Ah but ignoring their polically motivated BS stinking up Indian threads and tacitly supported by pious Rehmans and Pussycats is hardly kosher is it.
Somebody has to sweep the garbage out, I guess I can do it as much as the next guy.
Nitin_Vthose Mirages were completed within 5 years. they didnot took 10 years to complete. where is H-2 and H-4 range PGMs with your MiGs
LOL. The Mirages came replete with kickbacks- incentive to do things fast, I presume. The MiG’s came with KAB500’s and 250’s. Wheres the proof that the H4 and H2 are in PAF service? More poorly written urdu editorials on the invincible PAF or your “logical deductions”? 😉
Besides your F7PG’s were sitting without radars till recently. Talk about a useless acquisition.
Both T-90 and arjun is off the shelf but induction is very slow.
The arjun is not off the shelf and the T90 has been heavily modified to meet Indian requirements. Unlike the T-80, which does not even have thermal imagers per released picturees and merely sports Pakgenous green paint!:D
PA has 7 or 8 kind of BMs. It doesnot matter if one of it is from NK.
One? Or Most if not all? Having an experiment with truth are we. Kim Jong Il is the source of high technology to Pak. Wow! 😉
Old submarines are piece of junk. IN has no choice but upgrade. just like its chief is publicly crying.
Compared to the rust buckets comprising the PN fleet, the IN subs are a class apart. Besides the Kilos are even Klub capable.
Crying? Hardly. He is making sure that his service gets its share of the substantial funds available. Unlike the PAF chief who crawls from capital to capital with a begging bowl for what else but decade old F16’S? Sheeesh!
Nitin_V70 to 85% figure is given from official sources in Newspaper. It is not maybe or should be. there is no indication from any source that Gripen=LCA :rolleyes:
The same official sources which equate the FC1 to being designed and developed by the PAF. 😀 (Heard of CATIC anyone?)
Or the same ones which speak of the FC1 being the equal of the MKI? 😀
And the same ones which speak of FC1= 80% of F16! LOL!
Poor boys! So busy blowing their own trumpet that they couldnt select the avionics or even guarantee the engine. :rolleyes:
Nitin_VDont worry. He fervently wishes that whatever he says is true. :p
Nitin_Vlonger time frame makes big deal smaller. just like MIG-21 upgrade. 60 aircraft took almost a decade.
By which time Pak inducted the oh so modern Mirage 3’s and the ultra super duper F7PG’s with the radar display projected onto the HUD. Of course, lets not even mention the PAF’s awe inspiring induction of BVR weaponry during the same time. Right?
PA T-80/AK are far ahead in production
Buying off the shelf items does not take much effort.
and so is the billistic missile component
Bonzer for North Korea. And Pak is hardly “far ahead”.
and so is Augusta-90B. India has only left over submarines from soviet era.
LOL. The Kilo class subs have been extensively modernised, ditto for the HDW Type 209’s. With barely 3 Agostas in the works, you are preening and strutting around as if the PN had the entire US SSBN fleet. :rolleyes:
Nitin_VHow is Stratgic equal to Nuclear? Stragice world is used in alot of contexts like long range.
May I suggest you look at the Indian context. India wanted the Mirages for the Strategic Forces Command to be set up.
And that definitely does imply a nuclear role.
FC-1 may be 70% to 85% of F-16 ranging from Strike to Air interceptor role. But they called it medium tech relative to new F-16. So ever thing makes sense unlike LCA=Gripen
“May be”, “should be”, “will be”, “I wish”,” I hope”…
Your convoluted explanation is a bigger joke than the 80% thing! We are talking of an a/c design with its avionics undecided, its powerplant in doubt and its compared to the combat tested F16? Sheesh. And we are to take your propoganda seriously? :rolleyes:
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