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  • in reply to: Fc-1 has US technology – a claim #2673142
    Nitin_V
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    Any link / Chinese statement stating the above explicitly?

    in reply to: Does Europe has the capability to make a stealth AC #2673161
    Nitin_V
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    Europe certainly has the capability. What it lacks is the need and the political will, both of which are necessary to pony up the Euros required for a project.

    Meanwhile the JSF will make merry.

    in reply to: Fc-1 has US technology – a claim #2673167
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    The latest article we will hear is probably the LCA and Fc1 have same components. Oops. The martin baker… But Engines? Rusians and US engine have very different parameters. Just like tanks. Since when are Russians building durable engines?

    Re: LCA and FC1 having the same components- You wish!
    As regards the Russians not making durable engines, please talk to end users! Your comment is such a generic slam that its pointless. Which engines are you talking of? Aviation, Naval or Land mobile units? In each case, those who use Russian equipment repeatedly harp on the ruggedness of the design! If any fingers have been pointed, its about the build quality of initial units. India had issues with its original RD33’s, they were resolved. The T72 powerpack is well appreciated for its durability. The IN uses Russian/ Uk powerplants as well.
    A more accurate comment would have been that some Russian engines have lower MTBO and service life than their western counterparts. And even that was due to differing design and usage criteria, the newer variants all approcah western parameters and criteria.

    in reply to: Fc-1 has US technology – a claim #2673175
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    No, its 4 channel, 1 axis FBW. 1 channel FBW means no redundancy, no FBW system will be 1 channel.

    Per the earlier Pakistani reports, the backup was a conventional hydraulic system. So the entire 4 channel thing nec for redundancy was moot. The recent spate of AFM articles about the FC1 indicate that they wished to incorporate a Quad FBW, that future development might fit in with your point.

    in reply to: Fc-1 has US technology – a claim #2673397
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    There are too many gaffes in the article for it to be taken seriously. Appears to be a witchhunt and usual China stole everything from us waah waah type of half baked analysis. The RD33’s are Russian, and the FBW is single channel. The PAF wants to make it 4 channel Quad FBW but then again, wishes …

    in reply to: IN News and Discussion #2066437
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    And note that DRDO has developed an ESM system for the IN’s submarines as well and it has been accepted as well- Project Porpoise! The others being those for Ka-25’s and ALH’s!

    They really have delivered!

    in reply to: IN News and Discussion #2066439
    Nitin_V
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    A family of sonars!
    From towed arrays to dunking sonars. Good news indeed. DRDO’s Mihir has been accepted, so has Nagan! Now all Indian ships will have an entire EW and sonar fit made and designed inhouse. Note that project Sangraha has also been completed! As to Sangraha- woo hoo! Three cheers to DRDO.

    http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jan012004/n10.asp

    Similarly, the DRDO electronic warfare system for the navy christened ‘Sangraha’ with the capability of intercepting enemy signals and also to jam them had also been cleared by the Navy and would be inducted in all surface warships, he said.

    in reply to: IAF news and pics Thread : Oct 2004 + #2673505
    Nitin_V
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    Annual Report- Indian Air Force- 2004, dated from beginning of the year, released now.

    5.1 The Indian Air Force (IAF) is a
    modern, technology intensive force with
    commitments to excellence and professionalism.
    IAF has completed seven decades of
    dedicated service to the nation. Keeping
    pace with the demands of contemporary
    advancements, the IAF continues to modernise
    in a phased manner and today epitomises
    a credible air power of capability and
    repute.

    5.2 IAF ensures that all personnel hone
    their professional skills to the highest level,
    minimise wastage, reduce expenditure and
    optimise output. Although the possible cost
    and complexity of new technology continue
    to make unprecedented demands on the skill
    and commitment of the Indian Air Force,
    these challenges have been met with exemplary
    elan and fortitude. IAF has been
    operationally alert continuously and its
    personnel have withstood with determination
    the pressures and uncertainties.
    5.3 The IAF has rendered yeoman
    service and undertaken multifarious respon-
    The IAF continues to modernize in a phased
    manner and today epitomizes a credible air power
    of capability and repute.,

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    5.5 Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) : The
    requirement of an advanced jet trainer has
    long been felt by the Air Force to meet its
    training needs. The contract for Hawk AJT
    aircraft was concluded on March 26, 2004
    with the manufacturers, M/s BAE Systems,
    UK. 24 aircraft would be procured from M/s
    BAE Systems in flyaway condition and the
    remaining 42 aircraft would be licensemanufactured
    in India by Hindustan Aeronautics
    Limited (HAL).

    5.6 Kiran Mk- I & II : These aircraft
    were inducted in the IAF in 1968. They are
    utilised for intermediate and advanced
    training of IAF pilots. Another important
    role undertaken by these aircraft is aerobatics
    as part of the Surya-Kiran Aerobatic
    Team, which requires precision flying and
    faultless maintenance. Hindustan Aeronautics
    Ltd (HAL) has indigenised many spares
    of this aircraft.

    5.7 Additional Multi-Role Aircraft : In
    principle approval for additional Multi-Role
    aircraft has been accorded.

    5.8 MiG-21 (BIS UPG): MiG-21 Bis
    aircraft are under series upgrade at HAL
    (Nasik Division) and are being fitted with
    latest state-of-the-art avionics systems. The
    inclusion of new systems enhances the
    capabilities of the aircraft. 64 aircraft have
    been upgraded by HAL so far.

    5.9 Su-30 :The first batch of Su-30K
    was inducted in 1997 and Su-30 MKI Phase
    I was inducted in 2002. Su-30 MKI Phase
    II aircraft was inducted during October-
    December 2003. HAL has concluded a
    contract with Russia for manufacture of Su-
    30 MKI aircraft under licensed agreement
    from 2005 to 2018. HAL will also set up
    Repair and Overhaul (ROH) facilities. Induction
    of Su-30 MKI in IAF is a major step
    towards self-reliance and will add a cutting
    edge to the lethal potential of Indiaโ€™s defence
    capability.

    5.10 Jaguar : Jaguar aircraft were inducted
    into IAF in 1979 and have given
    good service over the past 25
    years. Currently, a number of
    modifications are in progress
    to improve the performance of
    these aircraft. These modifications
    are aimed at improving
    the avionics and fitment of
    new-generation weapon
    systems. These aircraft are
    capable of air-to-air refuelling
    and their radius of action has
    been considerably enhanced
    by acquisition of air-to-air
    refuellers. Approval of the Government was
    accorded for acceptance of eight new twin
    seater aircraft from HAL during 2003-04.
    Avionics integration on these aircraft is
    completed and weapon system integration is
    in progress.

    5.11 Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) :
    UAVs were first inducted into the Indian Air
    Force in 2000. The fleet was further expanded
    in 2003. The delivery of the UAVs
    is expected to be completed in 2004-05.

    5.12 Executive Jets : The contract was
    signed on September 19, 2003 for the
    acquisition of four Embraer aircraft for the
    IAF and one for the Ministry of Home
    Affairs. The contract also involves integration
    of a Self Protection System (SPS) suite
    by the vendor. The delivery of the first two
    aircraft would commence by middle of
    2005.

    5.13 HS-748 Aircraft Upgrade: In view
    of the obsolescence of certain avionics and
    other equipment on HS-748 aircraft, it was
    proposed to replace them and additionally
    install a few new avionics such as Global
    Positioning System (GPS), Distance Measuring
    Equipment (DME) and radio altimeter.
    Upgrade of prototype has been completed
    and the aircraft handed over to the Air
    Force. Contract for modification of the
    aircraft has been signed with HAL on
    March 27, 2003 and the delivery will be
    commencing from April 30, 2004.

    5.14 Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH):
    The IAF has already procured Advanced
    Light Helicopters as a part of its schemes to
    replace Chetak helicopters. This is an
    indigenously built helicopter and received
    very good reviews at the recently concluded
    Singapore Air Show where the IAF displayed
    the helicopter through its display team
    โ€˜SARANGโ€™. The initial helicopters would be
    with a conventional cockpit, which would be
    upgraded to a glass cockpit with an upgraded
    engine. In February 2004, 5 ALHs
    of IAF participated in the air display at
    Singapore Air Show.

    5.15 Light Combat Helicopters (LCH) :
    IAF is planning to induct 65 state-of-the-art
    Light Combat Helicopters (LCH) to be
    designed and developed indigenously. Apart
    from supporting the Army in Low Intensity
    Conflict Operations (LICO), these helicopters
    would enhance the combat effectiveness
    of the Air Force.

    5.16 Mi-8 & Mi-17 Helicopters : Induction
    of Mi-8 & Mi-17 helicopters into the
    IAF commenced from 1972 and 1984
    respectively. They have given exceptionally
    good service. IAF has procured 10 new Mi-
    17IV helicopters. A contingent of Mi-17
    helicopters is presently operating in the UN
    Mission in Congo.

    Induction of Su-30
    MK-I is a major
    step towards selfreliance
    and will
    add a cutting edge
    to the lethal
    potential of Indiaโ€™s
    defence capability.
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    5.17 Mi-35 Helicopters: Mi-35 helicopters
    were inducted into the IAF in 1994 and
    have given exceptionally good service. These
    helicopters are being upgraded for their day
    and night capability. A contingent of Mi-35
    helicopters is presently operating in the UN
    Mission in Congo.

    5.18 Pechora Missile System Upgrade :
    Pechora missile system will continue to be
    operational till year 2015. In order to
    ensure its reliable operation, Government
    has approved the proposal for selective
    upgrade of Pechora Systems.

    5.19 Prithvi Missile System : Prithvi
    Missile Systems are gradually being inducted
    in the IAF. Three squadrons along with the
    associated ground support equipment are
    planned to be inducted.

    5.20 SAR/ISAR Option for ELTA Radar:
    The SAR/ISAR option is an
    upgrade on the existing fire
    control radar on the maritime
    Jaguar aircraft. The trials were
    successfully conducted and
    acquisition finalized through a
    contract on January 13,

    2004.

    5.21 Airborne Warning and
    Control System (AWACS): A
    memorandum of principles
    and order of cooperation on
    the AWACS project for IAF
    outlining the scope of work
    and responsibility of the
    parties, was signed by the
    Government of India, the
    Government of Israel and the Government
    of Russian Federation on 10.10.2003.
    Subsequently, an Inter-Government Agreement
    (IGA) was concluded with Israel on 3rd
    March 2004 followed by a contract with M/s
    IAD Elta System to acquire AWACS aircraft.
    These aircraft, as force multipliers, would
    enhance the combat effectiveness of the IAF.
    The basic platform is the IL-76 aircraft, thus
    giving commonality with the existing fleet of
    the Air Force.

    5.22 Air Defence Ground Communication
    Network: Various state-of-the-art communication
    networks like Integrated Air Command,
    Control and Communication System
    (IACCCS), Aerostat, Unmanned Aerial
    Vehicle (UAV), Prithvi Tactical Air Centre
    (TAC) / Joint Air Defence Centre (JADC) /
    Delhi Area Defence Centre (DADC) /
    Control and Reporting Centre (CRC) etc. are
    being planned using Fibre Optic Media (FO
    Media), satellite and microwaves system for
    effective and efficient integration of Air
    Defence Operation Elements like fighter
    aircraft squadrons, radars, Command Headquarters
    etc. Also the existing Air Defence
    Ground Environment System (ADGES)
    communications network is being modernized
    with Asynchronous Transfer Mode
    (ATM) technology using Fibre Optic Media.

    5.23 Air Defence Ground Radar: Stateof-
    the-art radar and communication systems
    such as Aerostar, Low Level Light Weight
    Radars (LLLWR) etc are under various stages
    of induction to provide effective Air Defence
    against enemy attack.

    A memorandum of
    principles and order
    of cooperation on
    the AWACS project
    for IAF outlining the
    scope of work and
    responsibility of the
    parties, was signed
    by the Government
    of India, the
    Government of Israel
    and the Government
    of Russian
    Federation on
    10.10.2003.
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    TECHNOLOGICAL EDGE
    5.24 Central Acquisition Radar (CAR)
    :This radar has been indigenously designed
    and developed by the Defence Research and
    Development Organisation (DRDO). In
    keeping with the IAF policy to bolster
    indigenous technological development, the
    prototype radar underwent performance
    evaluation and the results have been encouraging.

    5.25 Force Multipliers : The IAF has
    acquired four IL-78 Flight Refueling Aircraft
    (FRA). IAF has operationalised in-flight
    refueling on Su-30, Su-30 MKI, Jaguar
    and Mirage 2000 aircraft.

    ENHANCING FLIGHT SAFETY

    5.26 Anti-Bird Strike Measures: There
    have been no Category I (Cat-I) accidents
    due to bird strike this year (April 1, 2003
    to March 31, 2004). This was possible due
    to a vigorous drive for clearance of vegetation
    and implementation of anti-bird measures.
    52 stations have been supplied with
    heavy-duty tractors and grass cutting machines
    for environment cleaning. Two
    additional Bird Hazard Combat Teams
    (BHCTs) have been established and 15
    temporary BHCTs have been made permanent.
    The scope of expenditure on anti-bird
    hazard measures have been enlarged to
    increase its effectiveness.

    5.27 Measures to Reduce Human Error
    Accidents : The concept of Operational Risk
    Management (ORM) is being implemented
    in the IAF to reduce accidents. Software for
    implementing this concept is under development.

    5.28 Helpline Service : A โ€˜Helplineโ€™
    service has been established to render
    assistance to the kin of personnel involved in
    aircraft accidents.

    INFORMATION AND ELECTRONIC
    WARFARE
    5.29 Space Applications : The IAF has
    made significant progress by using space
    technologies in the field of communications,
    surveillance and reconnaissance, search and
    rescue. INSAT series of satellites are used
    for communications, while IRS series of
    satellites are used for imaging. India has
    obtained the capability of 1 metre resolution
    imaging through Indian Remote Sensing
    Satellite (IRS)-TES.

    5.30 Progress has been made in the field
    of Electronic Intelligence (ELINT) and
    enhancing the resolution further in the field
    of imaging. In Search & Rescue (SAR), IAF
    has planned to procure beacons for its
    aircraft, which would be compatible with
    satellite based SAR system.

    5.31 Electronic Warfare (EW) Equipment:
    The fitment of basic minimum Integrated
    EW self protection suite comprising Radar
    Warning Receiver (RWR), Counter Measure
    Dispensing System (CMDS) and Airborne
    Self Protection Jammer (ASPJ) on the fighter
    fleet is being pursued vigorously. In addition,
    fitment of RWR and CMDS is planned
    on transport aircraft and helicopters.

    5.32 A number of advanced Early Warning
    (EW) systems viz., Integrated EW Range,
    Communication Jamming (COMJAM) systems,
    Airborne and Ground based Signal
    Intelligence (SIGINT) systems, missile
    warning systems etc. are planned for procurement
    to provide the cutting edge to IAF
    in Early Warning (EW) capability.

    5.33 Signal Intelligence (SIGINT) : New
    SIGINT systems on board airborne platforms
    as well as ground systems are planned
    to be procured to replace the ageing systems
    as well as to augment the surveillance
    capabilities.

    5.34 Integrated Early Warning (EW)
    Workshop: This is a new concept introduced
    so as to make Early Warning (EW) training
    more efficient and to assess squadron and
    units on Early Warning (EW) in an integrated
    manner.

    5.35 Surveillance and Early Warning :
    The Aerostat surveillance system with
    multiple payloads is being inducted into the
    IAF. The primary role of this system is to
    reinforce the low-level detection coverage of
    the air defence infrastructure. The Aerostat
    system will play the role of a force multiplier
    and provide both strategic and tactical
    advantage over adversaries. The payloads
    would form a part of the aerostat balloon,
    which would be hoisted in the air. This will
    give the capability to peep into enemy
    territory and also provide support to offensive
    missions.

    5.36 Airborne Early Warning and Control
    system (AEW&C): Two AEW&C platform are
    being indigenously developed by the Centre
    for Airborne System (CABS) in coordination
    with DRDO. These platforms will minimize
    our dependency on foreign vendors in the
    field of Electronics Warfare.

    5.37 Low Level Light Weight Radar
    (LLLWR): The LLLWRs are lightweight
    radars that can be man ported or airlifted to
    inhospitable terrain and mountainous regions.
    Induction of these radars would give
    the capability to deploy radars at any site at
    short notice. It has the capability to detect
    threats at low level and provide the muchrequired
    early warning in mountainous
    terrain.

    5.38 Securing L/L Communication:
    Landline communications has been vulnerable
    to interception. Encryption system has
    been planned to secure the media for
    transmission of voice and data communications.
    Presently, 2 Mega Bits Per Second
    (MBPS) inter-command network and Tropo
    lines for stage-I(WAC) have been secured
    using Bulk encryption units. The encryption
    of other systems is planned with their
    upgradation.

    5.39 Nuclear, Biological & Chemical
    (NBC) Warfare: Procurement of NBC
    equipment for certain forward airbases and
    Quick Reaction Teams (QRT) is underway.
    Personal protective clothing like NBC suits,
    gloves and boots and detection/decontamination
    equipment is part of the procurement.

    TRAINING
    5.40 A review of the national security
    system by a Group of Ministers (GoM)
    brought out the need for greater harmony
    between military and civil organisations for
    bringing synergy in exploitation of resources/
    efforts. Pursuing this objective, Indian Air
    Force took up the issue of recognition of
    training/ courses conducted in the IAF, with
    All India Council of Technical Education
    (AICTE) and Director General Of Civil
    Aviation (DGCA). The result of this exercise
    are summarised below:-
    โ€ข DGCAโ€™s approval for the training
    at Flying Training Establishments and
    technical training (both for officers and
    airmen of Maintenance Branch) have
    been obtained.
    โ€ข Award of Diploma in Engineering,
    duly recognised by AICTE, to the
    technical training imparted in IAF has
    been obtained.
    โ€ข Recognition of the civil equivalence
    of military qualification
    awarded to non-technical
    tradesmen by Government of
    India, Ministry of Labour has
    been obtained in June 2003.
    5.41Air Force Engineering
    College : A high level of
    professionalism, particularly in
    the technical branches of the
    Air Force, is necessary, as the
    operational effectiveness of
    the IAF is highly dependent on
    the machines as much as on
    the men who fly and operate
    them. The operational preparedness of all
    support systems for the flying branch is also
    a crucial factor. To ensure that the IAF has
    adequate professionally competent technical
    officers, the Government has approved a
    proposal, in principle, for establishing an Air
    Force Engineering College.
    5.42 Recognition of IAF Training Institutes
    by DGCA : To bring out greater
    synergy in aviation in the country all defence
    pilots are also required to meet the commercial
    pilot requirements. DGCA has
    recognized IAF training institutes and
    conducts bi-annual examination at the Air
    Force Academy. Recognition of military
    aircraft IL-76, An-32 and Mi-17 for conduct
    of civil license skill test is under progress.
    5.43 Air Force Awareness Campaign :
    The youth of our nation, especially those in
    the outlying parts of the country, are not
    adequately aware about aviation and a
    career in the Air Force. In order to attract
    bright, talented and motivated youth to join
    its ranks, IAF has launched awareness
    campaigns in all parts of the country. The
    response to these campaigns has been
    overwhelming.
    5.44 Air Race 2003 : Year 2003 was
    centenary year for powered flying. The first
    aircraft took off on its maiden flight on
    December 17, 1903. To commemorate this
    event in India, an air race was organised by
    the Indian Air Force along with the Aeronautical
    Society of India.
    5.45 Utilization of Trained Defence
    Manpower : To infuse greater harmony
    among military and civil organizations and
    To ensure that the
    IAF has adequate
    professionally
    competent
    technical officers,
    the Government
    has approved a
    proposal, in
    principle, for
    establishing an Air
    Force Engineering
    College.
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    utilize highly trained and disciplined defence
    manpower towards nation building, IAF has
    written to various civil organizations such as
    Pawan Hans, Airports Authority of India and
    Indira Gandhi Rastriya Udan Academy for
    lateral absorption of IAF personnel.
    5.46 Training of IAF personnel abroad :
    IAF is presently participating in various
    courses abroad. These courses are conducted
    in USA, UK, France, Australia, South
    Africa, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand,
    Bangladesh, Netherlands, Germany and
    China. In addition, one IAF officer is
    currently on deputation to United Sates Air
    Force (USAF) on Qualified Flying Instructor
    (QFI) exchange programme.

    5.47 Training of Foreign Students in IAF :
    Foreign students are availing training facilities
    in IAF establishments. Ministry of
    External Affairs (MEA) offers the training
    slots under Indian Technical and Economic
    Co-operation-I (ITEC-I), ITEC-II, Self
    Financing Scheme (SFS) and Aid to Sri
    Lanka programmes. The Government funds
    training for personnel from Nepal and
    Bhutan. Officers and airmen from Myanmar,
    Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Mauritius, Malaysia
    and Botswana have undergone training at
    various training establishments in India
    during the year. In addition, training slots
    have been offered to Nigeria as well.
    DEFENCE COOPERATION
    5.48 Combined joint exercises were
    undertaken by the IAF with various countries
    to strengthen bilateral relations. These
    exercises, besides building up goodwill
    between the countries, have given an exposure
    to our personnel on the latest developments
    in the field of aviation. Details of the
    exercises are enumerated in the succeeding
    paragraphs.
    5.49 Exercises led by Army : Exercise
    โ€˜Vajra Prahar 03-1โ€™ / Ex โ€˜Balance Iroquois
    03-1โ€™. Ex โ€˜Vajra Prahar 03-1โ€™, a joint
    exercise was conducted at Vairengte and
    surrounding areas during April, 2003. The
    exercise was conducted with the US Special
    Operations Pacific Command. The Indian
    participation included two An-32 and six
    Mi-17 aircraft of IAF and a team of Ex 21
    Para Strike Force (SF) of the Indian Army.
    The US participation comprised 21 troops
    and civil affairs personnel.
    5.50 The Special Forces Joint exercise in
    High Altitude Area (HAA) operations Ex
    โ€˜Balance Iroquois 03-4โ€™ / Ex โ€˜Vajra Prahar
    03-3โ€™ was conducted at Leh in September
    2003. The exercise included rock craft and
    cliff assault technique, ground training and
    friendship jumps. The IAF participated with
    one An-32 for paradrop. Friendship jumps
    from An-32 were carried out over Stakna
    Drop Zone (DZ). Seventeen US troops
    along with Indian troops took part in the
    friendship jumps.
    5.51 Exercises Led by Navy: Indo-US
    Joint Naval Special Forces exercise was
    conducted at Ganpatiphule (Ratnagiri) in
    March 2004. The scope of the exercise
    included para jumps, combat free falls and
    duck drops from 2 x An-32 aircraft and
    Special Heliborne Operation (SHBO) and
    Combat free fall from 2 x Mi-8 helicopters.
    5.52 Exercises led by Air Force : Exercise
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    โ€˜Cooperative Cope Thunder-03โ€™ (CCT-03),
    a multilateral exercise, was conducted in
    Alaska during June, 2003. Exercise CCT is
    conducted every year in Alaska during the
    period June-July. IAF participation in CCT-
    03 comprised one IL-76 and 31 crew/
    observers. The three observers
    included one each from
    flying, fighter controller and
    metereological branches. IAF
    also participated in the executive
    level observer programme,
    which provided an
    opportunity to interact with
    observers from other countries
    and witness conduct of
    multilateral operations from
    close quarters. This was the
    first ever participation by an IAF aircraft in a
    multilateral exercise. The IL-76 sorties
    included airdrop mission, participation in air
    power, orientation ride for executive observers
    and North Pole flights. Training objectives
    for the participation in the exercise
    included successful integration in multilateral
    combat exercise, key involvement and
    cooperation in the mission planning process
    with multiple nations and use of grid navigation
    without magnetic compass backup. The
    IL-76 Polar flight and endurance flight of
    09:36 hrs was a good achievement.
    5.53 Ex Cope India-04: Ex Cope India-
    04, a bilateral exercise was conducted at
    Gwalior with USAF and IAF fighter aircraft.
    This was the first exercise when frontline
    fighter aircraft of both sides participated.
    The Dissimilar Air Combat Training (DACT)
    Ex was conducted from February 14 to 26,
    2004. Six F-15 aircraft of USAF flew 52
    sorties against Mirage, Mig 21, Bison, MiG-
    27, MiG-29 and SU-30 aircraft of IAF. The
    objectives – to learn about each otherโ€™s
    operational and maintenance procedures –
    were achieved to a great extent.
    5.54 Indo โ€“Tajikistan Joint Exercises : A
    joint airborne exercise was carried out in
    Tajikistan during July-August, 2003. The
    exercise was conducted on the occasion of
    Tajikistan Air Force raising day on August
    05, 2003. The Indian participation comprised
    three An-32 aircraft, paratroopers
    and Para Jumping Instructors (PJIs). Paratroopers
    of Indian Army Para Brigade and 7
    Assault Brigade of Tajikistan Army participated
    in the exercise, which culminated in a
    paradrop at Fakrabad DZ.

    SPORTS AND ADVENTURE
    5.55 Achievements of IAF in Sports :
    Warrant Officer Ram Mehar Singh,
    Ground Training Instructor [GTI(Sports)]
    was conferred โ€˜Arjuna Awardโ€™ for excellence
    in the field of Kabaddi. The President of
    India presented the award on August 29,
    2003. Ram Mehar Singh was also conferred
    โ€˜Bhim Awardโ€™ by Government of
    Haryana in October 2001.
    5.56 Skydiving : A Basic skydiving course
    was conducted in June, 2003 at the Air
    Force Station Hindon, where 55 personnel
    successfully completed five jumps each and
    earned para wings in a record time of six
    days.

    in reply to: IAF news and pics Thread : Oct 2004 + #2673527
    Nitin_V
    Participant

    For India it is much easier to get something so they do develop intresting products but the forces tend to importing. For Pakistan it is much more simplistic. They had no other chance so either importing Chinese or improving those and produce them internal.

    Earth to saturn. India is implementing a mix of indigenous and imported products, same as China and has considerable experience and ability via both its pvt sector partners as well as Educational institutions. There is no point in comparing India to Pakistan.

    http:// http://www.mod.nic.in

    8.70 Four research boards are functioning
    in DRDO to provide thrust to Basic
    research in areas of strategic importance.
    The boards are : Aeronautics Research &
    Development Board (AR&DB); Armament
    Research Board (ARMREB); Naval Research
    Board (NRB) and Life Sciences Research
    Board (LSRB). These boards promote
    research in collaborative mode with academic
    institutions and other national R&D
    laboratories, through approval, funding and
    monitoring of grants-in-aid projects.
    8.71 The Aeronautics Research & Development
    Board (AR&DB) started functioning
    in Feb 1971 and has funded around 1250
    projects to 35 institutions since inception.
    It is currently funding 120 projects at 25
    academic & research Institutions. It has a
    ceiling of Rs.5.00 crores per year in up
    stream areas of aeronautics R&D. Three
    Centres of Excellence have been set up at
    Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Mumbai,
    National Aerospace Limited (NAL)
    Bangalore and Indian Institute of Science
    (IISc), Bangalore in the area of systems
    design and engineering, composite structures
    technology and computational fluid
    dynamics (CFD) with linkages at other expert
    organizations. AR&DB has also recently
    launched its website, which can be accessed
    through drdo.com.
    8.72 Under Armament Research Board
    (ARMREB) 43 projects have been sanctioned,
    covering the field of High Energy
    Materials, Sensors, Ballistics, Combustion &
    Detonics, Modeling/ Simulation and other
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    fields related to Armaments, to various
    academic institutions and other R&D Organisations.
    Out of these, 17 projects have
    been successfully completed and remaining
    are being pursued.
    8.73 Life Sciences Research Board (LSRB)
    continued its spirit of supporting, expanding
    and deepening the knowledge base of life
    sciences. A total of nine projects have been
    sanctioned to academic institutions taking
    the total number of sanctioned projects to
    47. Some of the projects supported by
    LSRB are for rapid diagnosis of infectious
    diseases, engineering resistance to pod
    borer in pigeon-pea, mycorrhizal technology
    for tropical Tuber crops, Hospital waste and
    Anti-fouling strategies of
    marine organisms.
    8.74Naval Research Board
    (NRB) continued to support
    the basic research applicable
    to naval technologies. Five
    new grants-in-aid projects
    were sanctioned to academic
    institutions and 19 out of 44
    projects have since been accepted.
    Extramural Research & Intellectual Property
    Right (ER & IPR)
    8.75 Truly indigenous solutions to military
    problems and the related technologies
    can be developed only if judicious investments
    are made in expanding and deepening
    the foundations of basic scientific knowledge
    and the technological validation of new
    concepts that emerge from such knowledge.
    8.76 During the financial year 2003-04,
    59 new projects with an aggregate value of
    Rs. 16.5 crores were researched upon in
    various academic institutions in the country.
    Grant-in-Aid worth Rs. 30 lakhs was also
    provided to various scientific and academic
    institutions and societies for holding national
    and international conferences and seminars/
    workshops.
    8.77 To accord selective protective legal
    cover to intellectual property generated by
    research activities of DRDO, 64 IPR applications
    (including 10 filed in foreign countries)
    were filed on products/processes in the field
    of materials, electronics, bio-medical sciences
    and food technology.
    8.78 50 patents (including two in foreign
    countries) were granted and 30 patents
    were accepted for grant. In addition, one
    design patent was granted in USA and one
    copyright was registered in India. To promote
    IPR awareness, six awareness programmes/
    workshops/patent-clinics were held
    during the period in different laboratories.

    So how many projects has Pakistan funded? How many research projects are going on?
    Do tell! ๐Ÿ˜€

    Telling that Brahmos is developed vy co-operation is silly if at the same time the person blames that Khaled is import.

    India’s contribution to Brahmos:

    http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_418.shtml

    Russia’s contribution to the Brahmos includes the active radar seeker and the liquid fuel ramjet engine wheras DRDO developed the onboard navigation system, onboard computer, electronics, fire control system, software and some parts of the propulsion system.

    Now *what* did Pakistan design and develop in the *original* Al Khalid?

    Armor? Nope its Chinese!
    Gun- ditto!
    Engine + Transmission- Ukrainian…
    Optics- French..

    What seminal contribution did Pakistan make to the Khalid? Merely asking Norinco to make something for you, repainting it green does not make it Pakistani! Were it that things were so simple. :rolleyes:
    You would be better served in looking up the mods made to lic produced American M113’s to enable them to fire Chinese Red Arrow HJ8’s..at least those had some design contribution from Pakistans’s side!

    Etcetc…

    As usual biasssssssss and one side seems to have that a lot. Funny that it is allways the bigger party.

    The usual- no proof, no links…merely “biasssS”, isnt that “asssssssssssinine”? ๐Ÿ˜€

    in reply to: IAF news and pics Thread : Oct 2004 + #2673560
    Nitin_V
    Participant

    Few years ago their now president proudly claimed that most of the stuff in armed forces would be indigenouzed…look now..opposite is happening…LCA was suposed to replace the migs..something else is doing that..Arjun was supposed to be MBT for IA…but they’re buying 1000 T-90s…..etc etc.

    I still beleive they shouyld replace atm the migs with migs and than with LCA.

    You’re talking about 7 billion dollars. Its big even for India.

    As for UNSC…I think it was their best friend U.S. which didnt let India in…

    and its funny India makes noise about American stuff which goes to PAF…you know over here they claim they can wash out all of our forces in 2-3 days..but their experienced political leaders start jumping even if USA thinks about giving something to Pak. Look at the difference.

    When one talks of indigenization it matters little whether the original design was x or y! If the T90S and all its components are made inhouse in India- thats good enough for the IA.
    You think because China is purchasing Sukhoi’s that means the J7’s, J8’s and J10’s have no role?
    As regards the Arjun, it has already been ordered, the LCA is in flight development. And their spinoffs are already visible in the IA and IAF, whether they be the Upg T72’s or IAF a/c upgrades.

    Its a fact of life that indigenization in the Indian defence forces has gone up by a huge margin.

    From the MOD, India
    http://www.mod.nic.in

    DRDO has progressively enhanced the
    combat effectiveness of our Armed Forces
    through induction of state-of-the-art indigenous
    defence systems. During last few
    years, a number of defence systems and
    equipment have been productionised. These
    include :

    โ€ข Pilotless Target Aircraft โ€“LAKSHYA
    (aerial target practice system)

    โ€ข Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) for
    MiG 23 aircraftโ€“ TRANQUIL

    โ€ข Radar Warning Receiver and Self
    Protection Jammer (RWR & SPJ) for MiG
    aircraft โ€“ TEMPEST

    โ€ข CATCH – An airborne Signal Intelligence
    Systems

    โ€ข Aircraft Arrester Barrier

    โ€ข Aircraft Weapon Trolley โ€“ BHEEMA
    โ€ข Relocatable Balloon Barage System
    โ€ข Parachutes for various types of
    Aircrafts

    โ€ข Surface-to-surface Tactical Battlefield
    Missile : PRITHVI

    โ€ข Surface-to-surface Missile : AGNI-I
    and AGNI-II

    โ€ข Main Battle Tank : ARJUN

    โ€ข Multi-barrel Rocket System –
    PINAKA (waiting for indent)

    โ€ข Armoured Engineer Recce Vehicle
    (AERV) for crossing of water obstacles

    โ€ข Bridge Layer Tank on T-72 chassis

    โ€ข Bridge Assault Mechanically
    Launched: SARVATRA

    โ€ข Mat Ground Surfacing, a track-way
    expedient for smooth movement in
    marshy terrain, shallow water and soft
    soil

    โ€ข Containerised Operation Theatre
    Complex and Wards on Wheels

    โ€ข Mobile Decontamination System for
    decontaminating Nuclear, Biological and
    Chemical (NBC) agents and personnel,
    equipment and terrain

    โ€ข Muting system for deactivating
    remotely controlled explosive device โ€“
    SAFARI [Mk-I]

    โ€ข Remotely Piloted Vehicle RPV โ€“
    NISHANT (for aerial surveillance)

    โ€ข Bulk secrecy equipment with high
    grade digital secrecy : SANSAR

    โ€ข Avalanche Victim Detector
    โ€ข Meals-ready-to-eat (MREs) etc.

    โ€ข Combat Improved T-72 tank โ€“
    AJEYA

    โ€ข Data Concentrator
    Surface-to-surface Missile Agni-1
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    โ€ข Battle-Field Surveillance Radar โ€“
    Short Range (BFSR-SR )

    โ€ข Weapon Locating Radar

    โ€ข Artillery Combat Command and
    Control System – SAMVAHAK

    โ€ข HUMSA โ€“ Hull Mounted Sonar
    System

    โ€ข USHUS Sonar System

    โ€ข Processor Based Moored Mine
    (PBMM) and Processor Based Exercise
    Mine (PBEM)

    โ€ข Advanced Torpedos

    โ€ข SANGRAHA

    โ€ข Electronic Support Measure (ESM)
    System for Kamov/ Chetak Helicopter โ€“
    KITE

    โ€ข ESM System for Kamov/Chetak
    Helicopter โ€“ EAGLE

    โ€ข Submarine based ESM โ€“ PORPOISE

    โ€ข MIHIR -Helicopter based dunking
    sonar

    โ€ข NAGAN โ€“ Towed Array
    Sonar

    โ€ข SECTEL – Speech Secrecy
    Telephone

    โ€ข Mission Computer (MC)
    for Jaguar.

    โ€ข Mission Computer (MC),
    Display Processor (DP) and
    RWR for Sukhoi aircraft.

    Some of the above are HUGE projects! Sangraha is the name given to an entire EW program designed to outfit all IN ships with ESM and EW systems, from passive to active systems.

    Then there are the others like Sujav, which are sensitive and even DRDO doesnt talk much about.
    http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_419.shtml
    http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/sujav1.jpg
    http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/sujav2.jpg

    The Sujav is a compact EW system for the V/UHF communication range, seen installed on TATA ‘Sumo’ 4×4 vehicles. It can perform a fast spectral search between frequencies of 30 to 1000 MHZ with 4 channel monitoring and jam on multiple frequencies with responsive jamming being used against fixed and frequency hopping sets. Jammer power output is 500 W(VHF) / 200 W(UHF) and features decoding of standard formats and direction finding with emitter location being fixed on a map. This system has been designed by the DLRL lab of DRDO, the designers of the ‘Tempest’ EW system.

    http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030101/main5.htm

    For the first time, Dr Aatre said as part of the electronic warfare equipment the organisation had developed remote mine-sensing radars called as Safari and packed them into vehicles. It has also developed Sujav directional finder and communication jamming radars. Almost 200 units of it had even been delivered to the Army and the paramilitary forces. Army had ordered for 500 Safaris after successful field trials.

    Or stuff like this:
    http://www.drdo.com/pub/nl/aug2004/2.htm

    Or this:
    http://www.drdo.com/pub/nl/sep2004/development.htm

    Or:
    http://www.drdo.com/pub/techfocus/aug04/welcometfaug04.htm

    Theres a wealth of OS info available….

    Talking of indigenization? What about this:

    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Info/11BRD.html

    11 Base Repair Depot, Ojhar AFS
    WHEN IAF TURNS INDUSTRIAL ENTREPRENEUR

    AVK*

    Tucked away in Ojhar, 25 miles off Nasik on the Mumbai- Agra highway is 11 Base Repair Depot, one of the eight base repair depots of the Indian Air Force under overall control and supervision of the Maintenance Command, Nagpur. To the average Ojharite, this out-of-bounds “sarkari daftar” is an enigma. Save for the daily bouts of earth shaking decibels of aircraft engines being tested and deafening din of low flying aircraft, like the puzzled Ojharite, most of the nation is unaware of the performance every day by this industrial techno-yard of the Indian Air Force, where two variants of the MiG get a new life.

    Since 1987, No. 11 BRD has set off an ambitious programme to overhaul the MiG variants with indigenous knowhow, developed by a qualified and highly motivated team of innovators that the nation can be proud of. The men in blue here are out to falsify not just notions and mindsets but nerve-racking, cynical calculations on a burdening, jinxed aircraft fleet. It is not just indigenisation that provides the vital edge to this overhaul project, but the mind-boggling cost-cuts it bestows on the exchequer in the MiG modernisation programme.

    Stunning are the figures doled out by Air Commodore R.R. Bhardwaj, the Air Officer Commanding of No. 11 BRD. “The overhaul programme for the MiG-23s and MiG-29s, which would have cost over Rs 400 crores if undertaken in Russia is incurring not more than Rs 50 crores at No. 11 BRD, all with indigenous technology, under the highest quality standards and total technical life enhancement programmes and that too in the quickest possible time”. He can afford to be exuberant when his men confidently develop Life Extension Technology for a meagre Rs 50 lakhs, the alternative in Russia costing some hundred crores. Till date, 191 overhauled MiG-23s and 51 MiG- 29s have rolled out of the Depot and are back in IAF squadrons.

    If lAF’s mastery on overhauling of the airframe and avionics are on abundant display here, senior officers concede that engines are still a far cry. Of the blighted MiG fleet in the IAF, it is the MiG-23 that really takes the epithet of ‘frequent crasher’, with the highest fatality rate. With the MiG-23 engines drawing flak from all quarters. No. 11 BRD had taken care to stay away from the fuss, bothering more on avionics and airframes and leaving the engine part to the HAL engineers at Koraput and No. 4 BRD in Kanpur.
    BRD-Sukhoi.jpg (67335 bytes)

    After the test flight of the last Sukhoi-7 overhauled by 11 BRD on 26th March 1982

    Established in 1975 at the peak of modernisation programmes in the IAF, No. 11 BRD unveiled its operations with overhauling of Sukhoi Su-7s, only to last till the last such rolled out on 26 March 1982. Although, along with the slew of Repair Depots, No. 11 BRD was primed as the overhaul hub of IAF fighters, the transition from Su-7s to new generation MiG variants created an operational-gap for 11 BRD until the first arrivals of the MiG-23. Rebirth came in 1987 when the first MiG-23s came in for overhaul. After flight of the first overhauled MiG-23 in April 1988 and technology transfer for this aircraft from the Soviets in November that year, 11 BRD has not since looked back. Another major operational coup came in 1996 when the MiG-29s were allotted to 11 BRD for overhaul. The toil and the dedication received its just reward when the ISO 9001:2000 international certificates for quality standards were bestowed.

    However, it was sheer global political circumstances that changed 11 BRD’s fortunes. With collapse of the Soviet Union, MiG spares were not easily forthcoming, forcing the BRDs to work on indigenising rotables and aggregates of avionics and airframes. Added to that, discrepancies arose in the Russian deliveries of spares and outsourced jigs and fixtures. When the Russian supplies became a problem, an Inter Agency Group for Life Extension was formed to work on indigenous life extension technology, “Russians were unyielding about pricing and had demanded Rs 400 crore for the whole process. When options ran out, we decided to take matters into our hands. What Russians did for Rs 22 crore for each aircraft, we did for below Rs 2 crore with our own indigenous life enhancement technology,” said a senior officer.

    When the ageing aircraft started arriving in for refurbishment, the Air Force engineers and technicians had well defined tasks set for them. What they achieved ever since the MiG-23s came in from 1987 and MiG-29s from 1996, is beyond any definition. After giving the face lift for the aircraft, the final objective is to enhance its life cycle: MiG-23s having a technical life of 25 years would get more than five years extended life after the overhaul at Ojhar, and the MiG-29s with a destined life of 20 years or 2000 hours get 10 years or 1000 hours more to fly in Indian skies. Once “life extension” was declared as a thrust area, defence research labs throughout the country, HAL engineers and even IIT researchers were brought into the team for the operation. What started as a operation for life cycle enhancement soon metamorphosed into a movement for self reliance. There was not a single part of the aircraft that missed an attempt to indigenise. Other than the engine, everything from rotables, mandatory spares, radars to alloys and metals, BRD’s intrepid men “Indianised” anything in the MiG-23 on which they laid their hands!

    BRD-MiG23.jpg (89466 bytes)
    Air Marshal KS Bhatia, then AOC-in-C Maintenance Command, after the inagural test flight of MiG-23BN which was overhauled at 11BRD in 1988

    Inside the operations hanger, the studious engineers of 11 BRD did not strive long to unearth the latent critical problems with the aircraft. The culprit in most critical snags of Russian made aircraft, says Wing Commander Tiwari, was the power supply module. With this ascertained, the only option left was to also indigenise this system. Interestingly, the 11 BRD- developed power supply module is “six times cheaper with performance ten times better than the Russian one”. Indigenisation itself was no silly game for the BRD men. Keeping a tradition of developing low cost spares. No. 11 BRD developed indigenous spares and components for well under Rs 1 crore when for those parts Russians had charged Rs 8-12 crores. It is self-reliance that has won laurels for 11 BRD. On constant move, the effort was always to indigenise as many parts as possible. The great deal of effort and success shown in this self-reliance foray is demonstrated by the fact that 11 BRD has achieved 96 percent indigenisation of the critical mandatory spares for MiG-29s.

    A MiG-29 waiting to be inspected after overhaul at Ojhar.

    Sqn Ldr Sharnik Manna, who oversees overhauling of MiG- 29s describes: “The aircraft after wheeling in, is stripped of if engine, avionics, wings, fins and only the airframe’s skeleton remains. The MiG-29s have over 2000 types of parts, including nuts and bolts, and even the most minute one is arranged checked and the rotables are identified,” While all the rubberised items are replaced, the non-rubberised ones are recycled through a process of cleaning, followed by micro testing involving stringent quality standards to search for cracks and weigh’ dimensions and electroplated before being retained for reuse The whole set of looms or cables running across the aircraft are replaced completely. The engine is sent to the HAL’S Korapu plant and once back after overhaul, is checked with advanced internal scanning process before being integrated in the aircraft .

    The whole process takes 296 days before test flight for the MiG-29s and 256 days for the MiG-23s. Although both aircraft go through similar process, the MiG-23s, with its exclusive swing-wing technology has to move through 14 stations of levels, while the MiG-29s have 13 stations. With minor differences in procedures, both aircraft go through disassembling in the first 2 to 4 stations, defect investigation’ between 4 to 8, rotable reassembling between 8 to 10 and total functional checks between 11 and 13. During all these stages the various processes are subjected to rigorous quality testing both by IAF and by external organisations, before going fo; independent post overhaul checking at the 13th or 14th level and the aircraft then taxied out for its first flight.

    Concealed in a discreet comer is a specialist section working on composite materials for the MiG aircraft. With carbon glass as the ingredients, the BRD team has developed composite exteriors for the wings and fins of the aircraft to replace heavier alloys and metals, thereby reducing in considers amount weight of the aircraft and in the process, add tremendously to its speed and manoeuvrability.
    Fifteen Years after the first MiG-23BN was overhauled at Ojhar, the type still continues to be sent for overhauls. BRD-23W.jpg (73762 bytes)

    The day Vayu visited No. 11 BRD, one of the test pilots at 11 BRD, Sqn Ldr Chauhan was preparing for a third flight test sortie. “Usually an overhauled aircraft will have three test flights before being given the nod for return to the operational squadron. It is the test pilot who finally decides on giving the green signal. The aircraft has to satisfy all his parameters before the final affirmation.” Later, Vayu was to witness an impressive take and manoeuvring by Sqn Ldr Chauhan who was testing auto-pilot systems of a MiG-29.

    No. 11 BRD is on cloud 9. Buoyant by the recent ISO certifications and high customer satisfaction inputs from IAF, 11 BRD is preparing steadily for the challenging years to come. With such cost effective technology and with proven manpower resources at its discretion, 11 BRD looks ahead to the day when its doors are opened for foreign customers to come calling for its services. Some nations in South t Asia have already experienced the irrefutable skills of No. 11 BRD. It would not be long before the Su-30s in Indian service land up at this revered techno-yard of the Indian Force,.

    As regards Pak not getting weapons- sure, India will oppose it. Chuck your dictator and stop sending folks across the LOC and then we’ll see. Till that comes about, India will oppose each and every weapon that is given to Pak, whether it be a TOW or a slingshot. Get used to it.

    As regards UNSC- take a look at the nations supporting Indias candidature for a permanent seat – from the UK to Japan, Germany etc…now how many nations support Pakistan? Food for thought?

    in reply to: IAF news and pics Thread : Oct 2004 + #2673579
    Nitin_V
    Participant

    It had limited combat potential because of the low engine power, and could barely reach supersonic speeds in level flight. The first prototype flew on June 17, 1961, with a total of 147 aircraft built, including 18 two-seat HF-24 Mk 1Ts.

    The F-86, Hawker Hunter, Folland Gnat all had limited combat potential in South Asia then. They too were not supersonic.

    Like I said, use your grey matter before you post. The Marut won its spurs in ACTUAL combat. Something which has been catalogued and noted all round. Do read the second link which describes the Marut in combat.

    in reply to: IAF news and pics Thread : Oct 2004 + #2673671
    Nitin_V
    Participant

    It happened with the Marut. Now again with Hawk. And same seems to happen with LCA if they start looking for 125 planes for replacing mig21. I think the local products do have enough potential but somehow the forces tend to look for foreign products only.

    Do we even have to rebut such rigmarole from cads who cant even research properly? Oh well.

    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Aircraft/Marut1.html

    There is wide consensus about excellent handling characteristics of the aircraft. Most pilots who have flown the aircraft describe it as pleasant to fly and excellent for aerobatics with fine control responses. And its ability to out-accelerate the Hunter led one pilot to describe the Marut, with undisguised affection, as the Hunter Mk.II ! The Marut offered a stable gun platform and packed a formidable punch. While the Marut’s pilots expressed an understandable desire for more thrust than the Orpheus 703 offered, they were unanimous in their view that the aircraft proved itself a thoroughly competent vehicle for the low-level ground attack profile.

    The Marut was a robust aircraft with extremely good visibility for the pilot, and was aerodynamically one of the cleanest fighters of its time. With a very stable platform, the aircraft required no artificial augmentation or auto-stabilization. The Marut was originally to have been stressed to 10.5g but 8g was eventually considered to be adequate for the production model. The controls were provided with artificial feel and were effective over the entire speed range, the top limit being 620 knots (1149 km/in) IAS at sea level.

    Throughout the December 1971 hostilities, the Marut squadrons enjoyed extremely high serviceability rates (in contrast to the late 1960s), this undoubtedly owed much to an improved spares situation and the original design’s emphasis on ease of maintenance. It should also be noted that from January ’71 onwards, an improved version of the Marut with a lengthened wing cord (giving it greater wing area and hence greater lift), numerous cockpit changes and a sophisticated ISIS gunsight, started entering squadron service.

    The Republic Day fly-past over Rajpath in January 1970

    Maruts constantly found themselves under heavy and concentrated fire from the ground during their low-level attack missions. On at least three occasions, Maruts regained their base after one engine had been lost to ground fire. On one of these, a Marut returned to base without escort on one engine, from about 150 miles (240 km) inside hostile territory. On another occasion, Wg. Cdr. Ranjit Dhawan, flying his Marut through debris that erupted into the air as he strafed a convoy, felt a heavy blow in the rear fuselage of the aircraft, the engine damage warning lights immediately glowing and one engine cutting. Fortunately, the Marut attained a safe and reasonable recovery speed on one engine. Consequently, Dhawan had no difficulty in flying his crippled fighter back to base. Another safety factor was the automatic reversion to manual control in the event of a failure in the hydraulic flying control system, and there were several instances of Maruts being flown back from a sortie manually.

    Conversion to the Marut was a straightforward affair and future pilots received 10 hours ground instruction before first flight. Most pilots converting to the Marut came from Mystere, Hunter or Gnat units and until the HF-24 Mk.1T (two-seat conversion trainer) became available in 1975, had to check out on the Hunter T Mk.66. The Marut eventually equipped three IAF Squadrons. No.10 Squadron was the first to convert in April 1967, the No.220 in May 1969 and the No.31 in March 1974. Of the 145 Marut produced, 130+ entered squadron service.

    Given the limited number of Marut units, most Marut squadrons were considerably over-strength for the duration of their lives. According to Brian de Magray, at peak strength No.10 Squadron had on charge 32 Maruts! Although the squadron probably did not hold a unit-establishment of more than 16.

    And,
    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Aircraft/Marut2.html

    As tensions continued to rise between India and Pakistan through 1971, the IAF planned to meet any contingencies. Consequently, both Marut squadrons were deployed to Jodhpur from Chandigarh in early 1971. In November that year, detachments from both the squadrons were moved to forward bases as part of Operation “Cactus Lily”. These bases went to full alert as they received the first Pakistani strikes on the evening of the 3 December 1971.

    Uttarlai was hit by a B-57 strike at 20:00 hours on the 3rd and its Maruts became the first to retaliate. In the early hours of December 4th, No.10 Squadron flew its first sorties of the war. A four ship counter-air strike (Mission X-01) was flown against Hyderabad (Sind) airfield some 200 miles (320 km) inside Pakistani territory. As aircraft were seen at the airfields, the Maruts proceeded to attack airfield installations with 1,000 lbs. (454 kg) bombs. Surprisingly no attempts were made to intercept the Maruts, which encountered only light anti-aircraft fire and all the aircraft were recovered to base. Hyderabad was subjected to further counter-air attacks later in the day.

    Maruts from No.220 Squadron joined their No.10 counterparts, as the latter began interdiction missions later on the 4th. No.220 flew ground attack sorties against Camp Ghazi’, a heavily defended area within which a series of bunkers and other fortifications were destroyed by rockets. This softening up was to prove invaluable to the 11th Inf. Div. when it moved forward during the following night and, after a stiff action, overran the Pakistani positions. Both squadrons continued to strike targets in Sind, and Naya Chor was repeatedly hit on the 4th. Although substantial damage was inflicted on Pakistani positions, No.220 Squadron lost its first aircraft of the conflict over Naya Chor. Flt. Lt. P.V. Apte was killed, when his Marut was hit by AAA and Flt. Lt. Bhargava was taken prisoner after ejecting from his aircraft over Naya Chor.

    No.10 Sqn’s Maruts photographed in 1980. These later production aircraft had better maneuverability.

    The location of important targets (signal units and nav-aid equipment) at Naya Chor, meant that the IAF lavished special attention on it. The loss from the previous day notwithstanding, Naya Chor was attacked again on the 5th. Running the gauntlet of heavy AAA fire several Maruts strikes hit Naya Chor. POL dumps and trains at Chor, Dhoro Naro, Sufi Fakir and Umerkot were also hit on the 5th.

    Columns of Pakistani vehicles were strafed and rocketed by Maruts on the 5th and 6th at Longewala, complementing the tremendous effort made by Hunters operating from Jaisalmer. Further south, the Maruts attacked and dispersed a concentration of Pakistani troops and vehicles opposite Sundra, using their 68mm SNEB rockets to devastating effect. Diurnal interdiction missions were flown against the Pakistani transportation system, the Maruts concentrating on the railway line from Rohri to Khanpur. The marshalling yards and rail junction at Mirpur Khas were heavily attacked by the Maruts of No.10 Squadron on 7th and 8th December.

    Although essentially a ground attack aircraft, the Marut also demonstrated that it could also hold its own against enemy fighters. At 0930 hours on December 7th, Sqn. Ldr. K.K. Bakshi and Flg. Off. K.P. Sreekanth engaged on a ground attack mission south-east of Chor encountered four PAF Sabres, presumably on a similar mission across the bombline. Upon their pilots sighting the Maruts, the quartet of Sabres split into pairs, one pair immediately turning in to attack the Indian fighters which took up the challenge.

    In the brief melee ensured Sqn. Ldr. Bakshi found himself closing head on with one of the Sabres. Both pilots began firing but it was a burst of 30mm fire from the Marut that found its mark. The Sabre broke away streaming flame and smoke. The same evening a pair of No.10 Squadron Maruts, returning from a strike mission, were bounced by a pair of F-86 Sabres, but out flew the attacking fighters, by exploiting their superior performance at low level.

    Encounters with enemy aircraft became more frequent as the Indian Army’s offensive reached Naya Chor, a town some 43 miles (70 km) from the district headquarters at Mirpur Khas and 93 miles (150 km) from Hyderabad-Sind. Beyond Naya Chor lay Sind’s irrigated belt, and an Indian breakthrough into this territory would have had serious consequences for Pakistan. Consequently, the bulk of the PAF fighter-bomber force was committed to this area and both air forces were constantly engaged in support of their armies. On the 9th, No.10 lost its first aircraft when Sqn. Ldr. A.V. Kamat was shot down near Naya Chor.

    On the 10th, two Maruts flown by Sqn. Ldr. M. Jatar and Flt. Lt. S.C. Batra were attacking targets of opportunity near Naya Chor, and Jatar had just scored hits with 68mm rockets on a dug-in Pakistani tank, when Batra saw in his rear view mirror, three Sabres behind and slightly above at about 1500 ft. (457 metres). Almost simultaneously a fourth Sabre was spotted at five o’clock. Both Maruts turned to give battle but neither they nor the Sabres had scored any hits when air control warned the Indian pilots of the approach of a combat air patrol of PAF MiG-19s. Believing discretion to be the better part of valour, both pilots disengaged and flew back to base.

    The PAF made repeated attempts to neutralize the forward base at Uttarlai. The airfield was attacked by B-57s at night and F-104s during day. These hi-lo missions were launched from the distant Pakistani base at Masroor and the intermediate airfield at Talahyar. As the Pakistani directional beacon nav-aid at Naya Chor was being used for these attacks it had to be destroyed. On the 11th, two Maruts taxiing out for a sortie were shot up on the ground by PAF F-104s.

    Although one aircraft was completely written off, both pilots escaped with minor injuries. This did not hold up the strike and within minutes another pair of Maruts were in the air. And so on the 11th and 12th, Naya Chorโ€™s nav-aid facilities remained under constant attacks by Maruts. The Indian fighters ran the gauntlet of moderate to intense anti-aircraft fire, but it was only during the final attack that two of the Maruts, piloted by Sqn. Ldr. Brian De Magry and Flg. Off. Sreekanth, ran into aerial opposition. This took the form of four Sabres returning from a strafing mission against Indian supply trains at Parbat Ali. The Maruts jettisoned their drop tanks and flew to engage the Sabres, but results in the ensuing low-level dogfight were inconclusive.

    The very nature of the lo-lo-lo missions performed by the Maruts, made encounters with enemy fighters unlikely, and on occasion a pair of MiG-21s from No.29 Squadron, also based at Uttarlai, flew top cover. The MiG-21s usually flew about 6560 ft. (2000 metres) above the Maruts. On the 16th, a trio of MiG-19s intent on bouncing a Marut strike that had just strafed Pakistani vehicles and troops west of Umarkot, had to brake away to take on the MiG-21 top cover which their pilots had evidently spotted at the last moment.

    The Maruts flew until the last day of the war. On the 17th, two Marut strikes were launched against Umarkot. On the first of these a pair of intercepting F-104s were shot down by the Marut’s MiG-21 escort. The Marut was a tough aircraft. On at least three occasions, Maruts regained their base after one engine had been lost to ground fire. On one of these, a Marut returned to base without escort on one engine from about 150 miles (240 km) inside hostile territory. On another occasion Wg Cdr Ranjit Dhawan, flying his Marut through debris that erupted into the air as he strafed a convoy, felt a heavy blow in the rear fuselage of the aircraft, the engine damage warning lights immediately glowing and one engine cutting. Fortunately, the Marut was capable of attaining a safe and reasonable recovery speed on one engine, and Dhawan had no difficulty in flying his crippled fighter back to its base.

    All in all the Marut squadrons acquitted themselves very well. The Marut, as an aircraft, was shown to be tough and capable. No aircraft were ever lost in air-to-air combat. However, 4 were lost to ground fire and two were lost on the ground. The Maruts were in the thick of it, right through the fighting on the western front, and the Squadrons ended the war with a total of three Vir Chakras.

    in reply to: IAF news and pics Thread : Oct 2004 + #2673679
    Nitin_V
    Participant

    ON what basis you are making this statement that IAF safet record is the best one in past 30 years? It is the same BS of 55 Squardons coming from same source. As usual no credibility behind it. ๐Ÿ˜€ .
    PAF or PA crashes are more political in nature. Not related to technical incompetency.

    Dear Star,
    Scroll up and see what the CAS said. I already posted it. And do check your facts, its 37 Sq not 55.

    As to the incompetence of the PAF being “political” , great to see you admitting that the PAF / PA are politicized…as regards incompetence, the PAF has already crashed and knocked out the head honcho (Zia Ul Haq) and could not even safeguard its CAS and his contingent….maintenance must be something really lacking! I think the PAF ACM should go spout his usual old BS(your words!) about F16’s in Washington, Belgium, wherever (gimme, gimme, gimmmme) and that will automatically solve everything. :rolleyes:

    Yours sincerely,
    etc.

    in reply to: IAF news and pics Thread : Oct 2004 + #2673939
    Nitin_V
    Participant

    Indian,

    Vetrivale- dual MC, RWR, Radar Comp, Disp Proc
    HAL Made cockpit instrumentation
    IFF
    INCOM radios
    Aircraft structures- inc composites replacing original heavier metal load bearing structures

    You can expect more LCA spinoffs to be integrated

    Anyway, the main thing is that we are getting the tech of the Al31FP…worth their weight in gold and the spinoffs will be visible in our local programs.

    in reply to: IAF news and pics Thread : Oct 2004 + #2674067
    Nitin_V
    Participant

    The IAF’s attrition has been the lowest in 30 years, that speaks for itself given the IAF has not cut down on flying hours or compromised on its effectiveness.

    Of the recent Mirage crashes- only one has been linked to maintenance, two were pilot error!

    As for exercises not being proof of maintenance- gee whiz. The a/c are flying, and maint teams are doing their work, what could be simpler.

    BTW there are enough signs that I can point to as well about a certain AF which is so starved for technology that it buys bargain basement a/c and is still clamouring for second hand throw me downs. The signs are there for all to see, wonder why the above would have to happen eh? Seems someone is really worried in recent days…

    Meow meow,
    Spare me your childish whims on pride etc. Everyone here knows your true spots and stripes, so quit the faked grandstanding.
    And since you think crashes are fun, may I toast a can of Miller to Mushaf Ali Mir going bye bye. Perhaps that was poor maint as well. Imagine the “embarassment”, the loss of “pride” when a CAS crashes in his sedate bird along with other brass or what about Zia then?….:rolleyes:

    Whats even more ridiculous is your selective Cut and paste from the above article:

    Heres what you omitted:

    You said that the air force has witnessed the lowest accident rate in the past 34 years. What is the present rate and would you like to bring it down further?

    CAS: The accident rate for this year is .83/10,000 hours and we are very happy with that. We have achieved this by bringing in some innovations in the flying methods of our pilots. We would definitely like to bring it down further to .5/10,000 hours. That would be highly satisfactory rate for us and we are working very hard to make that possible

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