Nitin_VSo the hardware is designed/developed by the US and made in india ?
I dont know whether you are genuinely confused or you cant read what I just wrote!
ADA= Aeronautical Development Agency, Bangalore
ADE= Aeronautical Development Establishment, Bangalore
BEL= Bharat Electronics Limited, Bangalore
The FCS hardware was designed and developed in India and is being manufactured in India.
http://www.ada.gov.in/Activities/organisation/directorates/ifcs/ifcs.html
INTEGRATED FLIGHT CONTROL SYSTEM
* Quadruplex digital Fly-By-Wire Flight Control System
o Control laws executed by the Digital Flight Control Computer
o Pilot Controls, switches, Control panels and indicators
* Interfaces with Avionics
o Electrical
o Hydraulic
o Environmental Control Systems
o Under Carriage
o Flight Test Instrumentation.Directorate Structure
Objectives
The integrated flight control system (IFCS) directorate, HAL AR&DC and ADE are at the heart of Integrated Flight Control System (IFCS) design, development and testing for the LCA. The group is primarily responsible for FCS requirement analysis, specifications generations, design, development and testing leading to type-certification of IFCS.
Furthermore, the activities include the indigenous development of actuators , sensors, digital flight control computer, ground support equipment among others for the LCA.
Tasks
Generation of IFCS requirements comprising of Flight Mechanics, Digital Flight Control System, cockpit controls / indicators and interfaces with the rest of aircraft systems.
Definitions of work packages, identification of work centers responsible for design, development, integration and testing , project sanction, monitoring and management
Indigenous development of LCA primary and secondary actuators
Indigenous development of Digital Flight Control Computer (DFCC), Rate Sensor Assembly (RSA) , Accelerometer Sensor Assembly (ASA), Air data (pitot-static) probes , Angle-of-Attack) (AOA) vanes, Deicing Current Monitor (DCM) , Air Data Transducers (ADT), Flight Control Panel (FCP) , Flight Test Panel (FTP), Pilot Control Stick Assembly (PCSA) and Rudder Pedal Assembly (RPA)
Design, development, and integration of ADA Flight Dynamics Simulator (ADA-FDS) with LCA Iron Bird
Upgrading of ADA Hardware-in-loop-simulation (HILS)
LCA IFCS integration and testing on Iron bird
LCA IFCS integration and testing on aircraft
Flight testing support and analysis of the results.
Modeling and Simulation of aircraft hydraulic systems.
Initiate technology development projects like high (AOA) control law design, control law design with non-linear models , Thrust Vector Control (TVC) etc.
Design, analysis, modeling and simulation of alternate control law for LCA brake management system
Design of control laws for LCA (Navy) which includes modeling, simulation and analysis of ski-jump and deck landing.
Facilities
Hardware
Software
Ground support equipment (Hardware)
Engineer-in-loop-simulator (ELS)
Real Time Simulator (RTS)
Mini Bird
Iron Bird
Ground Check-out System (GCS)
Air Data Test System (ADTS)
Pressure Distribution Module (PDM)
Probe Adapter Assembly
Angle-of-Attack (AOA) vane test equipment
De-icing Current Monitor (DCM) test equipment
Facilities (Software)
DADISP / DADIMP
MATLAP / Matrix X
Coordination
Participation in the design, development and testing of control laws of Laws
Independent Verification and Validation (IV &V) of control laws of LCA in association with CEMILAC and Jadhavpur University (JU)
Requirement analysis , specifications, design , development, certification, and ground support equipment operation for testing IFCS at Iron Bird and on aircraft.
IFCS integration and testing on Iron Bird leading to clearance for on-aircraft system integration
IFCS integration and testing on aircraft.
Flight-test related activities of IFCS
Indigenous development of Elevon , Rudder and Airbrake actuators
Indigenous development RSA, ASA, ADT, DCM, FCP and FTP at ADE
Indigenous development of air data system components comprising Nose probe, Side probes AOA vanes and TAT probe at NAL
Milestones
Completion of 50 hour fault-free tests on Iron Bird by August 2000
Certificate of Design (COD) for IFCS by August 2000
Integration of ADA-FDS by September 2000
Indigenous development of actuators
Qualification of primary actuators by December 2001
Qualification of secondary actuators by June 2001
Indigenous development of air data system components (Nose, Side AOA vane, Total Air temperature probes) by December 2001
Ground support equipment development
Rugged AOA vane STTE by August 2000
Probe adapter assembly by August 2000
Pressure distribution module by September 2000
Integrated Air Data Measurement System by September 2000
The software coding is being done by an interdisciplinary team drawn from various establishments in India.
http://www.cmmacs.ernet.in/nal/pages/ipjun01.htm
The only involvement of the US re: FCS was via the VISTA program and by loaning India their test facilities till similar ones at ADA got ready. The VISTA allowed Indian scientists deputed to the US to simulate the handling of the LCA on the NF16D test aircraft by porting the LCA control law software onto it.
Once the sanctions were removed, Moog rejoined the LCA program by providing some actuators for the prototypes and are assisting in qualifying the actuators; the production variants will have the remaining Moog ones replaced by local units designed by the ADA, HAL and the Indian Space Research Organization, namely the Vikram Sarabhai Space Center (VSSC). The Moog contract is being handled under the aegis of Baesystems which is the nodal agency with which India is dealing.
Nitin_VSo the Flight control system computers are they locallly produced or imported, i dont know the link but saw somewhere something about importing FCS computers ?. The software is locally written right ?
that LCA pic sure does look fine
The FCS computers are locally made at Bharat Electronics Ltd, Bangalore and were designed by ADA, ADE and BEL. The initial testing was done at Lock Mart till Indian facilities got ready- which company seized the Indian FCS computers once Pokhran happened and they were replaced by new ones once the team was back.
The FBW code is being written by a combined team of ADA, ADE (Aeronautics Development Establishment) and NAL (National Aerospace Laboratory).
Nitin_Vas the radars of ASMs capable of doing some ‘matching’ to seek out say a carrier or a ULCC among a bunch of ships ? otherwise how did the brahmos hit a specified concrete building among a bunch in the desert test…
it sure has no IIR, the window would be clearly visible..only place for it is the ramjet
cone in front.
they modified the seeker to make it even more discerning per a report
Nitin_VYou dont “lock on” for active AAM’s as well, good quality TWS data is sufficient.
Lock and launch is for SARH homers, wherein you shift to high quality STT- Single Target Track.
Brahmos has an active seeker, and can be classified as having an autonomous profile for the endgame, it seeks out the target and goes for it.
Nitin_V> Attacking plane has to lock and launch
Not necessarily, the target designation data ie similar to OTH targetting, could be provided by other aircraft or choppers like the KA-31. Then an aircraft could launch its payload from an entirely different axis.
A recent news report noted that the IAF is moving towards datalinking its entire combat fleet. And with the arrival of the Phalcon , CABS AWAC’s etc, things will be even dicier for the Opfor. Especially since the Indian Navy has already begun networking all its ships and combat assets together- C3I networking- using the Indian satellites already in orbit.
In essence, the target designation could come from a variety of sources, the launch from elsewhere.
>Besides that the speed of Brahmos is extremely high. The higher the speed the less time you have to guide or change heading…
You are looking at it the wrong way since thats not how the Brahmos is designed to operate. For terminal designation the Brahmos uses an active seeker. Its highly unlikely- do the math for eg, that any ship will be able to move fast enough to leave the entire area altogether by the time the Brahmos arrives, given its speed, plus its own seeker is designed to have low detection measures.
How will a ship know a brahmos is on its way- just by the first pings of a KA31 or Phalcon or IN ship radar?
Cant go to top combat speed and run each time!
Nitin_VGood catch..I know of two different types carried by the IAF…could be those…PM me..
Nitin_VJai Hind= Hail Hind, where Hind= Hindustan= India
Sorry to let the Vindaloo out of the bag! 😀
Nitin_V> Empty shell
Each LCA has progressively more IAF specific equipment. The first TD LCA’s were Technology Demonstrators and were meant to merely demonstrate the tech involved in the LCA, but they have been given pseudo- prototype status and are now actively involved in the LCA program, the PV’s- aka the prototype variants are also on the way, with PV1 flying and PV2 being kitted out for weaponization- radar,nav attack systems, the works..
Many of the LCA’s key avionics subassemblies are already flying on frontline IAF aircraft as they were used for Mid Life Upgrades and were chosen after competitive evaluation vs similar products from Thales, IAI etc.
Nitin_VWell anything India does is illogical to you! So what else is new? 😀
Anyone applying intelligence would realise that the LCA has to first open IOC and FOC while the IAF needs a/c before that…
Nitin_VCheers Jagan,
But but but what about all the booth models everyones been talking about?:)
Nitin, the SHIVA pod is an ESM pod that accomodates the Tarang system externally. Seems somewhat redundant. The TUSKER can accomodate the Tempest or a similar ECM system. I’m posting another thread for Aero India pics because it’s becoming hard to sort those from news and other posts in this thread.
Boss its not redundant, PM me.
Wheres the pic thread?
Nitin_VI should have posted this earlier but was too busy with the rest of the folks at the Air Show. came back today morning so here goes.
Aero India 2007 : Bharat Rakshak’s feature (Updated Daily)
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/events/Besides the team, self (Jagan), Kapil, Seetal and Arun S, we had the following to help us out.
Simon Watson, Rupak C, Vijay Simha Reddy, Jai S, Sanjay Simha, Manoj, Mohan, Sam (Serendib), Sachin, Dr Shiv Sastry
We also had a small stall out there , we distributed and sold photos, a Sukhoi-30 print , some books and calenders.
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Thanks a lot in advance
Hi Jagan,
Have the rest gone off or are they still manning fort?
BTW: Re comments about Shiv’s pod:
Its design indicates that its intended use is for a dedicated ECM platform. I’d wager that a combination of Tusker and Shiv pods, is the intended fit.
That bit about “integrated with modern avionics” etc which you have written indicates the same as well. To me that indicates that the pod is meant to interface with the standard arch and avionics interfaces which most of the IAF’s frontline and newly inducted a/c use.
Nitin_VThe US can put all the pressure it wants, but its hoping for too much if it thinks India will just accede to the CTBT.
The Russians wont risk losing their largest arms market either to France or Israel. Besides, the Republicans arent too happy with the CTBT either.
And do show any examples of when the Russians restricted any arms sales to India based on what the US said? Even the cryo engine deal went through partially!
As regards the Hercules- unless it offers a significant advantage, it wont be chosen. As of now, per your arguements, its a white elephant liable to sanction.
Nitin_V..take a look at this.
Seventeen minutes of pure adrenlin, flying with the Swiss Air force in the mountains.
Historic? Well borderline perhaps.
I think you will need broadband to get the most out of this.
My thanks to Chris in Australia for the address.
Mark
Amazing ! Thanks a lot!
Nitin_VROFL. 😀 😀
Lockheed sure knows how to hard sell!
Nitin_Vjust give it a rest crobato. all this nitin fellow wants to do is try and deny things he’d rather not like to be real. :rolleyes:
just forget him, let him stick to his fantacies.
nitin
the J10 hasnt been mentioned in any chinese GAO report, so it doesnt exist, its all PSed typhoons; likewise the 052Bs and Cs are also ingenious hoaxs; the yuans are plastic models and the KJ2000s are flying with empty cardboard radomes…
the ‘truth’ is out now, happy? now will you kindly go back to re-reading your GAO-bible on indian achievments and leave the rest of us in peace? :rolleyes:
Its fantasies not fantacies Plawolf fellow. And I wouldnt say all that you just said. First because its a ridiculous generalization and second, any such comments get flamed from “aggressive members”. :rolleyes:
And what would you know about the J-10 not being in any Chinese GAO- have you seen it? :confused:
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