its all a matter of priorites mate, the vulcan or the wife………i know which one id be attending, 😉 the lady with the delta wings!
Briefly going off topic (only slightly!) in reply to the last post:- the result would be the same – both can’t cook!!! 😀
All the best,
Scotty
Of course most new air delivered American heavies entered the UK at Mawgan, usually for service preparation in the European theatre.
Didn’t they use Prestwick as well? I seem to remember seeing an article a few years ago about the B24’s that used to stage through there… I may be mistaken though!
Regards,
Scotty
Vulcan at Leuchars
From the BBC site.
The last flying Vulcan Bomber could be making one of its final appearances at Leuchars Airshow at the weekend unless £1.6m can be raised, restorers warn.
Sadly she didn’t fly – poor weather and a low cloudbase meant she couldn’t fly in VMC, although did get a couple of fast taxi runs. Got a couple of photos, but that was about it. Kind of gutted, as Leuchars is the only major airshow I can attend, and if it manages to fly next year, I still can’t see her, as I’m getting married the weekend of the Leuchars airshow…
Oh well….
Scotty
I still fail to see why need another, yes i would love to see it and see 2 lancs it would be amazing.
But the BBMF are designed to honnor the few and they do that with britans only air worthy lanc if a civilan one flies this make it null and void.
As said they only way you could do this would be fly the 2 at big airshows such as RIAT
I fail to see how another airworthy Lanc could diminish the BBMF memorial effect. Anybody with the slightest interest should on seeing a Lanc either the ground or in the air is going to remember the sacrifice of Bomber command. Lets face it, there aren’t that many complete examples left given the amounts built.
What it could do is mean that there is now double the availabilty of a Lanc for such memorial fly bys. Let’s face it, if there was to be 2 flying, I would imagine both still have a low amount of annual flying hours…
The idea of two flying at a display I cannot see happening very often – perhaps Legends. Apart from enthusiasts, is there going to be more of a draw just because there is two Lancs in a line up? Perhaps initially, but I am sure there will be a novelty effect initially. IMHO two Lancs flying together doesn’t make double the memorial…. It spreads the load so more people can see a single flying Lanc….
It’s up to the Pantons to do what they want with their airframe, but I’ll be honest, I side with Kev35’s view of the emotion stirred seeing a dusk start up, with costumed re-enactors is likely to be more emotive, as this is what happened when these machines went to war. having read Patrick Bishop’s Bomber Boys recently, I could imagine that that would be an overpowering feeling knowing that 55,000 climbed into a bomber at dusk, and didn’t come back, and I had a chance to see first hand part of what it was like…. I think this has more effect than a daylight flyby, but that is just my opinion..
Each to their own, but I reckon it’s best to see what happens rather than endless and pointless speculation…
Regards,
Scotty
Funny (not), I had a green Discovery last year (actually the one Si Pulford used to tow his Canberra to Newark a few years back) for all of two months until the timing chain broke and bent all the valve pushrods.
What a heap of junk, I should have known better and followed my own advice by never going near one.
It’s just that I’d stoved my Volvo estate into the back of a truck by not being able to stop quickly enough when towing. I was desperate for a car, borrowed the Disco and ended up buying it. It was always going wrong.
Someone else I know has got one and the gearbox is knackered.
The advice is: Only buy a Land Rover as a last (desperate) resort.
Didn’t Camlobe tow his Shack Cockpit from Cornwall to Wales using a Disco? Would have been interesting, as a Shack cockpit would have been long with the nose on and fairly high sided. I think he did struggle a bit but haven’t looked for the thread…
Add to the fact Mr Rusty is little more than a shell IIRC
Bumping… But seriously has anyone seen how many adds appear in the classified section these days (not many) in the days before the internet classifieds were more in use , now it is all on the net .
just my opinion.
cheers dave
I’d reckon it’s because eBay is easier than some local ads and displays to a wider audience (worldwide). Unfortunately auction sites take away the haggling aspect, and an item can go for a lot more than it’s worth….
Shack pressurised?
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The Shackleton was a post war development from the Lincoln for a specific maritime role rather than as a bomber replacement, it benefited from the hindsight of design, and access to the current technologies, and was developed with a new pressurised fuselage, Griffons and contra-rotating props.
I didn’t think the Shacks were ever pressurised…. Could all the rivets take it? LOL! Perhaps the proposed Mk.4 might have been…
Kind regards
Scotty
Meanwhile Scotland retains three huge RAF bases (two on top of each other!), and look whos in power.
Like the Murphys, I’m not bitter!
Perhaps we realise the amount of jobs these bases create, and therefore our councils don’t complain about the noise – doesn’t stop the tourists coming either – Findhorn near the end of Kinloss runway is hoaching with tourists in summer…
It’s nothing to do with a Scot in power in Westminster.;)
Was it the last Tornado GR.1? Just a guess…
The Shack’s not a Jet!
Gatwick Aviation Museum – have, sea vixen, buccaneer s.1 and a shackleton that they run up regularly i believe.
Air Atlantique/Classic Flight Shackleton
Although the MR3.3 Shacks have jet engines in them, I don’t think Gatwick will run their Shack Vipers – they were primarily for boost at take off, something I am sure Gatwick will hope to avoid!:diablo:
The MR2 Shacks never had jet engines in them, so cannot be classed as a jet aircraft at all..
Regards,
Scotty
True to some extent, although you don’t actually have to be looking for the clip specifically to find the links to it. Type “Spitfire” into youtube’s search facility and the RM689 crash comes up again and again.
I did, and to be honest, I got through 4 or so pages before I found it. Mostly the Spitfire searches I got were RC models, air displays, Flight Simulator sequences and some band called the Prodigy (they’ve crashed too I believe).
At the end of the day, when you go onto these things, it usually gives a description of what it is. If you think you may be offended, you have a choice to turn it off – same as on TV.
I wholeheartedly agree that it is sad that people take pleasure of other people’s demise, especially through mediums that portray it as entertainment, but as has been commented on, what about war footage or more recently, the twin towers? I can think of a couple of war documentaries that show dead bodies.
Perhaps it is better to be a bit more discerning if people are offended – it isn’t too hard to avoid the tasteless on YouTube….
It’s not fake windows!
Just an idea folks –
I don’t think the upper windows are fake windows at all, they look like water tanks, and the welded seams just happen to be approximately same size as the windows below. There is a shadow from the ribs of the tank on the upper right hand ‘window’
The lower windows appear to be painted out – perhaps for blackout conditions in war time?
Regards,
Scotty
Cheers for the answers guys…
I had the idea it was UV rays – we use a soft plastic hose at work called Tygon for making oil filled electrical cables – cheap and efficient, but highly susceptible to UV – especially in the hotter climates. Usually it changes colour and goes brittle. The only thing we can do to arrest this problem is use a silicon based lubricant, but it only delays the enevitable.
I was wondering if there was anything that could be done to inhibit his or reverse it, as sometimes you see perspex on an airframe that has been externally displayed for years that is pristine, then on others that looks cloudy and discoloured. Obviously the difference is down to care and a lot of elbow grease….
Thanks very much once again.
Kind regards,
Scotty
I really can’t see her being saved, even though she is one of a kind… preserving and maintaining an aircraft of that size takes a lot of effort. I am sure the custodians of Viscount F-BGNR or the Speke Bristol Britannia will fill you in with the details if you ask…
To dismantle an aircraft like that is not going to be cheap. Then there is the reassembly costs, not to mention to find somewhere to display her. I’d imagine the cost of parking at BOH, as well as the fact her engines can be sold on and the value of scrap metal is going to be or has been the deciding factor.
IMO, I think it’ll be another cockpit section for somebody to restore – at least this one might be pretty complete.
Sad, but enevitable….
wheres the guppy going?
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By the looks of things to China….. to make more cheap saucepans unfortunately….
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