Britain’s position wasn’t so clear cut as we might like to believe: Lord Halifax, who was probably Churchill’s main rival for PM – seems to have been more open to coexistence with Hitler – if that best protected Britain’s interests. On the day France fell, Rab Butler told the Swedish Ambassador that Britain “would not neglect any opportunity for compromise peace” and that “no die-hards would be allowed to stand in the way”. He, among others, saw Churchill as a dangerous war-monger. And as late as August 28th, Lloyd George was still urging Churchill to negotiate a peace – saying that the Battle of Britian had put the UK in a better bargaining position. And to answer Creaking Door’s question – there were definitely peace proposals offered by the Nazis – including one by Goring on August 20th.
Midst all the hysteria over freckle cream, turtle bones and the like, other groups have also been carrying out searches. The New England group is mentioned above.
The Waitt Foundation have also been investigating the ludicrous theory that she may have run out of fuel and crashed into the ocean somewhere near Howland Island. Crazier still – they’ve even done a fair bit of research. The link below is their search grid
Excellent set of pics here
http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=52618
I wonder if Wargaming’s input will be more than financial? There’s been mention made of augmented reality displays and so on – which sounds exactly the sort of thing a games company would be capable of providing. If you think about it, their expertise could actually help bring the displays alive in a way that really would appeal to kids especially
Possibly five years before it’s on display according to the Telegraph….
If it were “only” as good as the Do 17 – well, it’s an aircraft that’s what… 40 odd ft longer, 30ft greater wingspan and probably at least four times the weight. Getting something that big and fragile up in one piece would be a truly epic operation…. and then you’re going to need an awful lot of lemon juice to stabilise it. I think you’d have to stumble on something even better preserved than the Dornier – maybe in colder and deeper water.
[QUOTE=dcollins103;2034057]pipe dreams are good if they are based around the facts/truth.
Agreed, chasing phantom aircraft round Russia or China (or Burma for that matter) is one thing – but the facts and truth are that a very significant number of Stirlings went into the water; and most presumably are still there. The vast majority will be unrecognisable piles of rot: but the Goodwins Dornier shows it’s possible that some may be more intact – even in shallow seawater conditions. Would it be worth raising and trying to conserve such a large aircraft if it were in the same sort of condition as the Do 17? Maybe not, but clearly the Trenton Halifax shows what can be done with a freshwater wreck. Clearly the odds are that there isn’t a Stirling in anything like that condition – but I honestly don’t think you can discount the possibility that something salvagable still exists. As to finding it… guess that’s a different story.
Until very recently, having a fully restored, original Halifax on display was also just a pipe dream…
…or possibly strumming a banjo…..
A quote from the reader’s comment section at the end of the article….
“A few months ago Mr. Mellon was spamming the TIGHAR board with “discoveries” of artifacts that only he was able to see in the underwater footage. The thread in question was shut down by admins after Mellon had posted screenshots of what he he claimed was a banjo that Earhart had brought along unknown to everybody, as well as her petrified fingers lying there among the nondescript rubble of the coral reef slope”
Sounds like the perfect backer if you ask me…
There’s now an extra £100,000 in the budget….
Mr Youtube was there with his camera too…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJfSu3gIFo
Intro says the port outer is also ready to go….
The search / excavation of Johnny Johnson’s Lanc was covered in a BBC documentary a few years back – it’s online
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmDBmfLIqDY
It’s a nice focus on the man himself too
And of course the famous (if untrue) story that links the two…
Whilst Guy Gibson is on his lecture tour of the US and Canada after the raid, someone mentions the Belle and it’s 25 missions, then asks how many he has done. “174” replies Gibson….
I believe there was a group around a few years ago who wanted to raise and restore the original Helo 66 – but I think it just fizzled out.
IMHO the ultimate space-hardware recovery would be Apollo 10’s lunar ascent module. Only problem is it’s somewhere in orbit round the sun…..
Not sure even Bezos has pockets deep enough to fund that one.