I didnt know that the AN-140 is a joint venture between Iran, Ukraine and Russia.
If you make a claim, the onus of proof is on you, not on others to prove it wrong.
Yet, I took your own claim that you yourself based on the Aug 31 HT report. And showed that you were lying, just based on that report. What further source is required? See page 5 of this thread (scroll to the bottom).
you did not answer my post above. tell me what does that sentence from the HT report mean. give me its meaning.
Sumaid:
The paragraph that you are repeatedly quoting has no quote from Aatre himself. It is Vishal Thapar’s interpretation. So don’t make the claim that Aatre said it because he did not.
Secondly, your claim that the Aug 31 HT report said that the missile cannot carry nukes is an outright lie. Aatre did not say it and Vishal Thapar did not say anything of that sort either.
The Agni-II is India’s most potent nuclear delivery vehicle, which, going by Aatre’s disclosure, is not operational.
what does this mean ?
Sumaid:
Now you are taking the typical line that you and your friends have been doing on this thread. Stick to the facts and don’t babble. Show that you have not lied or nothing you say can be taken with any degree of seriousness.
New Delhi – The outgoing Chief of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), VK Aatre, confirmed on Tuesday in the Press Conference that six years after India entered the nuclear club with Pokhran-II, it is still not ready with its missile-based nuclear delivery systems.
Tell me , what does the above paragraph mean ?
Sumaid:
Now you are taking the typical line that you and your friends have been doing on this thread. Stick to the facts and don’t babble. Show that you have not lied or nothing you say can be taken with any degree of seriousness.
Prove me wrong with sources.
Sept. 1 , Indian Observer : India’s nuclear delivery system on missiles not operational confirms DRDO boss Aatre.
Some cheek it requires to say this. After being shown that you have lied at least twice on this very thread.
Yeah i know it will take time for u to digest this news. Hang in there.
Eno helps in digestion.
“On his last day in office, he said the Sunday launch of the Agni-II intermediate-range ballistic missile was “to train the army” to fire the nuclear-capable weapon.”
I will be very basic with u, this is the only quote from Atre adn is the only thing he said about testing btw, the rest is interpretation
From the oher article
This is what Atre said btwhttp://www.telegraphindia.com/10409…ory_3702282.asp
Agni test checks nuke-war power
SUJAN DUTTA
New Delhi, Aug. 31: An Agni II missile test-fired on Sunday 100 days after the Manmohan Singh government took over was the first experiment by the army in a likely war scenario of the nuclear-weapon delivery system.The missile, which has a range of 2,000-plus km, was configured to fly 1,200 km with a “lofted approach”. The reduced range also probably means that it was fired with a heavier payload to simulate a nuclear warhead.
So far the Agni II had been test-fired by the Defence Research and Development Organisation either for technical corrections or as technology demonstrators. There have been nine test-firings of the Agni series.
The DRDO chief and scientific adviser to the defence minister, V.K. Aatre, said here today that the last test-firing on Sunday was done by the army under the guidance of DRDO scientists. The Agni II was in limited-series production and in the process of being inducted into the army. Test-fired with a “horizontal approach”, the missile is capable of longer ranges.
Aatre retired today. His place as the DRDO head will be taken by M. Natarajan, who headed the DRDO main battle tank programme.
Aatre admitted that there was a slippage in the programme for the long-range (3,000-plus km) Agni III strategic missile that is being prepared. “I would have liked to see it tested before I left. But now it is up to the next man to decide when it will be tested”, he said.
Aatre said the Agni I and the Agni II are “absolutely-developed” missiles. “We have completely-developed systems for these two missiles and a certain number have been delivered to the army.”
NOTICE TH LAST LINE 🙂
bye bye now
Yes…and i proivided u a article from hindustan times saying that the Nuclear delievry system of agni is NOT operational which has been confirmed by the DRDO boss Aatre.
The report was EXCLUSIVELY to state the above fact. .
Here is another from September 1 2004. Latest http://internationalreporter.net/scripts/headDetails.asp?id=274
No where does it mention in ur article that Agni’s nuclear delievry system is operational.
Unless FAS, kalam and the other articles posted are not credible and the articles that u yourself posted are not credible, then i guess not 🙂
Show me a latest report , beyond the AUG 31 2004 HINDUSTAN TIMES by Thapar saying that Agni’s nuclear capable delivery system is operational.
Live in India?
Youwill just have to wait and see, btw u have yet to proove anything rather u are wanting to harp on one subject with aim to flame bait, a sad attempt, the reaso why i dont want to have this discussion with u, btw u said that u would “shut up ” once i told u what i thought of the jounos, yet u keep on comming back , its sad really, u also ignore all my points and keep on reposting the same two articles, this is pointless, u dont even seem to want to ask yourself certain basic questions, until then shall we move on or do u wish to get this thread locked? 🙂
if u dont have any credible source to back anything u say , please do not post.
thank you.
I think that it has been mentioned a few times that the Agni is fully developed from the thapar article itself and it has been delivered to the army from the other posted article and then both talk about it being nuclear capable, hence the journo seems to eb confused, not a liar just not too bright in defence matters or logic..
both journalists articles are lies this means.
what about the CIA reports on NBC and the rediff interview. All lies.
Thapar’s article clearly mentions that Agni’s nuclear delivery version is not operation which is confirmed by Aatre.
You wanna live in denial go ahead.
Your last line seems to eb flame baiting, the journalists are in te process of being reprimanded as we speak, Atre never said such things, its pretty obvious what he says and what the article then oges on to say, its not that they are liars, they just did not udnerstand what he ment when he said what he said 🙂
now can u “shut up”?
🙂
I like to talk with credible sources and proof. Please provide me proof that the journalists are in the process of being reprimanded as we speak.
thank you.
So the “nuclear capable” Agni that have already been delivered to the army, is not nuclear capable and not operational, these are exact quotes from Atre btw, weird non 🙂
Did u read the rediff interview titles “We are great at fooling ourselves” . An interview of Karnad.
The agni is not operational in the nuclear delivery mode. I have given you 2 Indian sources confirming this news.
wait for more.
This is pointless and I wish to move on now, u are here for other reasons and not discussion, u seem to be ignoring simple statements while highlighting what suits u best, i am only saying that Atre never said that and the articles use the given quote to proove their theory, aka the agni test was training for the army, but i do not expect u to keep up.
Yes both articles dont give aatre’s words in quotation marks. But in both articles of Hindustand Times and Indian Observer, both journalists have confirmed Aatre to say that the Nuclear delivery system is not operational.
Call the journalists liars and i will shut up.
I think that u are flame baiting,,, the same articles call the agni nuclear capable and the same arcitles mentione that a certian number have already been delivered 🙂
it is not operational. A car can travel. A car is travel-capable. Only if it is operational.
India’s nuclear delievry system’s are NOT operational. They need time to become operational
the AGNI II is not nuclear delivery operational. And it is a very potent platform for delivery if it can be made OPERATIONAL in that mode.
It seems like the hawks in India want to increase the millitary budget
Anyway Said, i am done now, the only quote has been highlighted for u a few times, but u seem to be ignoring it, so i will move on to talk about other things, i hope that this is ok with u 🙂
India’s nuclear delivery system is not operational.