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Thanks to rajsunder from Bharat Rakshak…

vikramaditya has arrived (from ajai shukla’s blog)

After a non-stop, 8000 nautical mile voyage without any port stops, the INS Vikramaditya has arrived in the Indian Navy’s Area of Responsibility (AOR) and commenced integration with the Western Fleet.

Shown here is the INS Vikramditya (extreme left), INS Viraat in the foreground, INS Teg in the background, and INS Mumbai to the right.

There is no crash so far.

Coping directly from wiki

LCA
General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.40 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 38.4 m² (413 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,500 kg (14,300 lb)
Loaded weight: 9,500 kg (20,944 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,200 kg (29,100 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × F404-GE-IN20 turbofan
Dry thrust: 53.9 kN (12,100 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 89.8 kN (20,200 lbf)
Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg
External fuel capacity: 2 x 1,200 litre drop tank at inboard, 1 x 725-litre drop tank under fuselage

Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.6 (1,350 km/h) (CAS) at high altitude
Range: 850 km (459 nmi, 528 mi)
Combat radius: 300 km (162 nmi, 186 mi)
Ferry range: 3,000 km (1,840 mi)
Service ceiling: 15,000 m (49,200 ft)
Wing loading: 247 kg/m² (50.7 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.07
g-limits: +8/−3.5 g

Armament

Guns: 1× mounted 23 mm twin-barrel GSh-23 cannon with 220 rounds of ammunition.
Hardpoints: 8 total: 1× beneath the port-side intake trunk for targeting pods, 6× under-wing, and 1× under-fuselage with a capacity of 4,000 kg external fuel and ordnance
Missiles:

Air-to-air missiles:
Python 5
Derby
Astra Beyond Visual Range missile
Vympel R-77
Vympel R-73
Air-to-surface missiles:
Kh-59ME (TV guided standoff Missile)
Kh-59MK (Laser guided standoff Missile)
Anti-ship missiles
Kh-35
Kh-31
Bombs:
KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
GBU-16 Paveway II
FAB-250
ODAB-500PM fuel-air explosives
ZAB-250/350 incendiary bombs
BetAB-500Shp powered concrete-piercing bombs
FAB-500T dumb bombs
OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
OFAB-100-120 dumb bombs
RBK-500 cluster bomb stake
Others:
S-8 rocket pods
Bofors 135 mm rocket
Drop tanks for ferry flight/extended range/loitering time.
LITENING targeting pod

MiG-21

Specifications (MiG-21-93)

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 14.5 (with pitot) m (47 ft 6.86 in)
Wingspan: 7.154 m (23 ft 5.66 in)
Height: 4.125 m (13 ft 6.41 in)
Wing area: 23.0 m2 (247.3 ft2)
Gross weight: 8,825 kg (19,425 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Tumansky R25-300, 40.21 kN (9,040 lbf) thrust dry, 69.62 kN (15,650 lbf) with afterburner each

Performance

Maximum speed: 2,500 km/h (1,468 mph)
Maximum speed: Mach 2.00
Range: (internal fuel) 1,210 km (751 miles)
Service ceiling: 17,800 m (58,400 ft)
Rate of climb: 225 m/s (44,280 ft/min)

Armament

1x internal 23 mm GSh-23 cannon, plus
2x R-27R1 or R-27T or 4x Vympel R-77

or 4x R-60M or R-73E AAM or

2x 500 kg (1,102 lbs) bombs

Sorry for jumping in the middle, very entertaining show by two fellow countrymen … errr über experts. Please continue

(taking cover before bullets hit me :sleeping:)

We can’t agree to this topic, which is anyway OT to this thread. So my last reply on this topic.

The problem is our different PoV.

How do you know India is not getting anything? We might be slow to progress but we have solid base as a democratic country, where people has voice (some hidden stick which they can use after 5 years) and govt. n ministers can be change as a result. Most of the time they have to deal with opposition n media. So decisions are slow and takes long.

Coming to Rafale mess :
If it would be military rule, they would have gotten Mirage in 2000. But it was political decision to open tender. French promise something and then back traced at later stage.

Barak-8 :
As per Indian service, it failed to clear the requirements so there is no point of accepting it into service. On the other side they are free to induct it when they want. We stick to our demand of meeting the requirements. Due to his, project is delayed by couple of years.

On the other hand, China is ruled by Single party with single minded objectives. Decisions are taken with much more freedom and you remove/eliminate anyone who resists against it. Media is controlled by the state. China don’t hear the opposition but suppress it. Which might be good sometime but after a certain point it will be difficult. China also have different view of things, which I respect (positive points e.g. growth, modernization and power they got in last two decade) but you just can’t expect India or others to blindly follow everything they do.

There are an agreement behind the J-11B as well. China can never ever export any J-11/15 fighter linage. Period! It remains to be seen how much China paid for this..

Guess, how many are out there who need J-15 … big zero.

I don’t know the status of J-11B but last time I heard that J-10 would circle and dance around it. But may be newer version is improved. On top of that Russia controls the engine technology so can control (for now) the number of planes China can manufacture. Also China has considerable inventory of obsolete planes which they have to replace in near future with J-10/11. So there is no chance they can export anything to anyone anyway.

If this issue is settle with whatever deal, it is good for both countries.

^ Thanks Mig for the links and information. It is clear, there were issues regarding IP around 2010 which might have settled via one or other deal for now.

It is interesting to see … what comes out with up to date technology negotiations with respect to China and if Chinese stick to terms n conditions.

We will find it out in next decade.

And what is the outcome of investigation (already 3 years passed) void.

Even China now has copies of Su33 in the air with Russian engines :angel: and frequent articles in Russian media regarding possible sale of Su-35.

It seems Russian side is eager to sell their latest technology but it is China refusing to buy. Why should China pay if can get free of cost? 😀