^ and ^^ Thank you for clearing up things. So it was not F4 but F3O-4T.

Lets see if it is F3O-4T or F3-R standard. As I read, if India gets F3-R then it will be mostly western weapons package otherwise local. As F3-R is more about integrating more weapons with better feedback management.

These question were related to Indian deal …

Does anyone guess the number breakdown of Rafale B and C?

Any suggestions/guess for the the weapons and equipment package?

My understanding is that India will be getting “Rafale Tranche 4”, can anyone confirm it?

Does anyone guess the number breakdown of Rafale B and C?

Any suggestions/guess for the the weapons and equipment package?

So if you are not even bothered about India, then why you are wasting your time on posting on a Indian thread. Who see the value they will care for India, and don’t forget Russia-India back each other at geo-polictical issues.

It is not only about weapons, like many have said before Russia is selling weapons to China (Which is a real threat) and we are bothered about it. But Russia don’t care about it, as it gets big finicial benefits by selling technology. All these talk about illegal copies of the military stuff is rubbish.

I don’t see what reaction are expected regarding Pakistan, where they are NOT even selling S-X00 air defense systems along with adv radars or selling air logisitical, offensive and defensive technologies. India don’t care anymore, as it will hurt Russia more.

It is dimplomatic job to issue statements but nothing more nothing less.

There are two lines of thoughts …. 10 and 20.

As it is economic to build, operate, upgrade the system.
Also With current troubles, it justify to have more numbers. Even our older upgraded planes can out perform their opponents with the surround space overview.

MoD and IAF must come to compromise and quickly decide on the numbers.

PS: For 2 Phalcons, we are discussing since ages and it does not make sense to use different or existing air frames. It is better to kill these 2 and order more smaller ones.

Anyone with the interests of India at heart would oppose it tooth and nail. Arguing for the tender to be scaled back or scrapped is one thing, but simply substituting another contender for Rafale is absurd.

It is not absurd because both fulfills the technical requirements and were short listed by the IAF. Although Eurofighter had few negative points (technology and price) in comparison to the Rafale.

But cost and ToT is a big factor, if we do get engine technology I will consider it a good deal at reasonable price. It will be a win-win situation for India-Germany and may be also for French (can keep their technology).

Just amusing so many insistent that there would be “absolutely no more delays”. Also, who wants a bet there will be another excuse when Sep comes round?

Who wants to bet that you will be live in 5 mins?? It is not a school project, it is a military project and delay are part n parcel of it. But making it big highlight is the problem, especially when delay is of ONE month.

For FOC it is still very optimistic but here ADA and IAF working together hand in hand. Lets see what comes out.

May be something like FOC-I (20 planes) and FOC-II (20 planes) along with IOC-II (20 planes), so around 60 MK1 planes. Will address critical issue discovered in MK1 (current and future) in the next iteration MK2.

Not every project can be mutually beneficial. and second point I already pointed out that India is even slow in procuring FMS deal. so releasing money on time for IL-214 was non-starter. IL-476/IL-214 will be in production for long time. India will ultimately buy it off the shelf.
C-17 production line is almost closed.
I don’t see KC-390 has long production run. Its too expensive from the start. and after Brazil orders are done. there is no production volume coming.

Then why to sign a JV at the first place, it is a wastage of time for both parties. We are operating only a limited number of IL-76/78, so we will be using only limited number of C-17s.

Of course, no one knows the future (e.g. war, earthquake etc. etc.) so requirements might changes. We might buy IL-476 but forget about IL-214 off the shelf.