The way the media here likes to blow up stories like that that make the U.S. military look bad I too am surprised I haven’t heard about it.

With all that being said, since he killed her, then he should die. No questions asked in my opinion.

Again I don’t care if he’s an American….anyone who does something like that should pay for their crimes and as far as I see it, he should die for his…..

Any more comments directed to me Art?

and i am surprised you havent as well..now maybe you understand the importance of taking in more than your own countries media output..

But surely “fair & balanced ” FOXNEWS covered this horrendous unforgiveable crime ? ahh well knowing Fox maybe not as much as we would see if the perp was an Arab.

As i have said before better to let the scumbag rot in a Hellhole prison for the rest of his unnatural life..any places in Abu Graid?

When we’re talking about the life and death of a terrorist I’d say it is. They aren’t worth even your time.

Going from your response below re the death penalty what happens if you get it wrong? what about all the people claimed as terrorists who werent ?

Yes if they are there shooting at you,,fair enough ..but dont gloat at the death of someone whose background you have no idea about, whose circumstances are a mystery to you…

Now that’s a clever little response if I’ve ever seen one. The day you see me in politics, please shoot me. It makes me mad enough as it is….

ME?? sure aint I a tree hugging pinko liberal commie lover…i wouldnt shot you…

That’s actually a good point, and indeed injustices have been incurred…

To me a far better punishment is for someone to lose their freedom for the rst of their days if the crime suits that punishment…Death is too quick for some of the scum that litter the earth…let them rot in prison and a proper prison none of this TV/DVD /Playstation equipped crap.

I’m afraid I’m missing your point. I’m not familiar with those organizations I won’t pretend that I am. Perhaps since you’re from Ireland (or did I read that wrong?) you don’t view the IRA as a terrorist organization and if indeed they haven’t murdered innocents ( yes they were and yes they did ), then they are not one and I wouldn’t put them in a bad light. My understanding of that aspect of English/Irish history is limited though. That group just popped in my head. If I’m misguided on them, then please direct me to some good sources to where I can learn more about them.

The other organisations were state sponsored or supported terrorist organisations in the likes Of Spain and Northern Ireland amongst others and responsible for some of the most horrific acts of brutality known.

As far as Al-Quaeda goes, I don’t think I’m all that misguided and my comments still stand as far as they go.

Nope you arnt.

Name one country who has never been guilty of any type of atrocity….at least as far as the major nations of the world go….

You seem like you’re trying to paint any nation that has ever done anything wrong as a terrorist country.

nope..just illustrating a point…You stated “once a Terrorist always a terrorist ” .I presume this goes for organisations as well and that could never be taken into Government..

Well bad news ..two of those links were to Israeli terrorist organisations that was absorbed into the IDF shortly after the foundation of the state..amongst its more notorious actions was the Bombing of the King David Hotel and the mass massacre of innocent men women and kids in a form of ethnic cleansing..Amongst its members and leaders? at least three Israeli Prime Ministers…and some of them not too distant in the past

GAL was directly organised by the Spanish Government and what they got up to…

The UVF & UDA are Loyalist paramilitaries who were often under the direction of local police and funded by same…they carried out some of the sickest murders of the Civil war that we suffered in for so long…and all in the name of ” Britishness ” and religion

…..It has happened in just about every country on this Earth for various reasons, but does that mean they are all terrorists? Should all people in that nation be held responsible and condemned?

No… but again what about state sponsored terrorism..what if a military or government uses terrorism as a means to achieve their end?

We’re talking about an organization (i.e. Al-Queada) who’s sole mission to murder anyone who doesn’t agree with their view of an Islamic dominated world and society……

but again are all these attacks made by al Queda? We dont know..some are by Saddam fanatics and he for sure had no love for AQ or OBL..after all they tried to have him assassinated at one stage!

and what about this latest drive for negotiations by Gen Petraeus to establish contacts with “alienated groups”…this will surely have to bring in some of these terrorist groups as well toi have any meaning.

You see that is something that took almost 30 years and many innocent deaths to be learnt over here by the Governments involved…talk talk is better…take away the cause of the unrest and then your terrorist will lose his power.

The lost of any life is regrettable yet sometimes necessary…………..:( Personally, I have not idea what they think they are fighting for???

as stated already occupation by a foreign force tends to be a great recruitment drive for insurgents!

Fair enough, Hurrifan
There’s always going to be some pillock that lets the side down.
Enjoyed me rant though, thanks for letting me vent !!!

not a problem!!! better than letting the blood pressure get too high!!

I have a great deal of respect for most police forces ..they have a dirty job …and boy would i love to be a speed cop sometimes !!

….I think the point is to maintain a pool of trained individuals that could form the basis of a fleet and role expansion if ever the need arose.

Which hopefully will be sooner rather than later given that we are dependant on a seriously overstretched RAF in the event of the need for an airborne intercept of anything heavy….

I know there was a tread here before about cheap unsophisticated fighters for the less well off nations……Now what would be nice?

They are terrorists….should we really be sad over their death?

Ok PII..for the sake of clarity can you define a terrorist and also clear up a few details ?

when is a terrorist not a freedom fighter and a freedom fighter not a terrorist?…excepting this instances where they use the tactics expected from a normal army..

Is a state sponsored organisation which uses terrorist methods a terrorist organisation and its members actual terrorists?

Can a state’s Armed forces be defined as terrorists where they use terror tactics on the enemies civilian population? Ie ..Germany’s attacks on civilian refugees in France in 1940 leading to mass evacuations, hysteria, blocked roads etc.

Can a state which supports another state which in turn uses terrorist techniques be defined terrorist by association?

Are former “terrorists ” acceptable as politicians or statesmen at some future time?

Hurrifan,
You know for sure that they were clocking off?
How about they were responding to a call for assistance at the front desk of the station, or a prisoner had gone berserk in the cell block, did you see them get out of the car?…..were there any other cars driving the same way? were there any ambulances driving the same way or did you just make an assumption……
Yes, I’m a Police Officer……….but as you can see not in the UK anymore.I now police in a country where we call people ‘sir’, people call us ‘sir’ and they actually, and frequently, thank us for being there.
What a refreshing change!

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Small station, no cells, no ambulances or fire brigades, not much traffic…they werent chasing anything….got out of the car , stretched and sauntered in at their leisure!

And i know what time they change shifts….this isnt the first time this has happened either!

mind you i might be tempted to do the same ..given the chance of a nice cuppa and a choc biscuit!:diablo:

It should be obvious but I’ll say it anyway….
IF soldiers personalized killing they’d all be in mental wards somewhere.
Now in true 70s fashion say… “But then there would be no more wars!”
Congratulations…you’re John Lennon for a day.:D Imagine that.

Wonder if Guy Gibson styayed awake nights worring about the Germans civilians he just drowned?
Or the commander of the RN sub that sank the General Belgrano. Nuke sub vs. 1930s destroyer…hardly a fair fight. Not the kind of sportsmanship bred on the playing grounds of Eaton.

If warfighting is so repugnant to you…write to your MP and demand the abolishment of the RAF…and turn the BoBMF into saucepans.

Go kick a veteran, I’m sure it will make a statement and you feel better…

think you have missed the point….this is about the glorification of blowing human beings into fragments and using same as entertainment.

Its not about soldiers on the ground “personalising” their enemy …that problem often arises years later .

Do you think Guy Gibson would describe a film showing fairly graphic detail of the death of his foes as being ” cool ” ? NO he wouldnt.

Did the commander of the RN sub regret the deaths of Argentinians? YES he did…i have seen interviews aplenty where these and the other deaths were stated as being regrettable…They recognised that these were fellow sailors doing their job…different i know from someone dressed in civies on the back of a truck …but they were still the foe.

And a lot of vets from the WW2 did question what they had done..after all they didnt know the full extent of the casualties caused untill after the war…And that was without their war being of dubious cause.

And before anyone gets up on their high horse and starts yelling “Terrorist lover” I have no love for terrorists .I have been at the receiving end of terrorism and am still paying the price.