No, I didn’t. My point was that some people I know who are older than me (i.e. several decades) have also noticed the twist that the media in this country has taken and have thus switched to Fox News as opposed to other American networks. They’ve been around to see that the far-left turn that many media outlets have taken has been in the making for some time now. At 23, I’m too young to have seen this in many cases, though it’s quite obvious to me as I get older. I don’t solely base my reasoning on what I see base on what they have told me, but it does form a part of it. I don’t see what’s so wrong with that.

Easy to check for yourself after all there is the internet ..once again 😀 .Lets not forget that society is both learnings from history and perhaps more importantly our own experiences. My point is that age is not a guarantee of wisdom or full and balanced knowledge.

You mean the BBC is more often viewed in England than Fox News??!! Oh my gosh what a revelation! Reality check……I was referring to here in the United States. What do I care if people in Europe or England don’t watch Fox News? Answer? Absolutely nothing. I don’t expect them to because it’s an AMERICAN cable network. Just like I don’t watch the BBC here (which I dare say is not part of the basic cable lineup here….), and I don’t see why I should be expected to. Fox is an American network and CNN is an American network so we will watch our networks. You guys watch yours. I can safely tell you that virtually no one I’ve ever met watchs the BBC for their news updates.

Ahh but Fox likes to think thats it an INTERNATIONAL news network accepted as the face of the American Media worldwide…any way what are Bill’s viewing figures???minimal if i remember correctly…

And why not buck the trend ? look at some of the FX networks to get a wider perspective..thats what i have been saying since the start of this…
http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/2005/narrative_cabletv_audience.asp?cat=3&media=5

The above is a link involving American viewership of cable news networks here in the States and it clearly shows FNX ahead of its two prime competitors. Again, I was referring to FNX here in the States…not in England where I’d question why people were watching it over Sky or BBC or other British networks if they were.

Interesting have you looked at this;

http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2006/narrative_daymedia_cabletv.asp?cat=6&media=2

looks like poor quality to me….

or this;

http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2006/narrative_networktv_audience.asp

“In November 2005, “Meet the Press” won the sweeps period with an average of 4.3 million viewers. That was 34% more than “Face the Nation” (3.2 million) and more than 60% over “This Week” (2.6 million). “Fox News Sunday” was a distant fourth with just 1.4 million viewers.12 Sunday morning is the only part of the day all week when Fox’s news operation competes directly with the networks on its broadcast stations. At other times its competition is confined to its news cable channel “

Yes Fox may be doing ok in some sections …..”As the three commercial networks see decline, and the cable news channels other than Fox do, too,…”

but not so good in others ..and what happens when GOP falls from power????

I was referring to the portion where you said Ireland was the home of proper journalism. I’m not saying it’s bad over there, but I don’t know enough about it to comment. You think you know more about the American media than you actually do so your opinions on the matter are just as worthless to me as mine are to yours. I apologize if that statement was misunderstood, and as I have very little knowledge of the incidents involving Israel you are referring to I won’t comment on it.

Apology accepted. the death of our guys hit us as hard as the deaths of yours you know.Granted there arnt near as many as the US has suffered but it still hurts when their memory is defiled

And surprise surprise old son i do know a fair bit about the media US or otherwise !!

Oh and by the way PII

“IRELAND…home of proper journalism and formally home to too many members of the UN murdered by either Israel or its native militias…”

and your childish petulant reply

“Your opinion.”

not opinion boyo FACT ..HARD FACT

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0228/lebanon.html?rss

http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/S/0122/S.0122.198905100012.html

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/1999/0601/fro1.htm

Hang your head in shame.

Those lads died , for the most part ,at the hands of America’s allie.

Even the most inexperienced soldier knows to honour the fallen, even if they were an enemy , which to most American’s UN peace keepers arnt….Whats your excuse?

crackle crackle YOU, YES YOU, THE BOY IN THE BURBERRY HAT, PUT HER DOWN, DO YOU REALISE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. FER GODS SAKE MAN DO YOU REALISE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO WAKE UP TO? GET THOSE GUINESS GOGGLES OFF. SHE LOOKS LIKE JO BRAND AFTER A ROAD ACCIDENT…. OH PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY…….!!! 😀

Yup, could be an excellent job!!!

whats wrong with Jo Brand at any time…..????:dev2:

Reckon this would be one ‘ell of an idea….and what fun to be at the end of the microphone!!!

Seriously though , despite what some might think about the goodness of mankind in general , a warning shout may either put off a perp or for that matter attract the attention of others who may be able to do something to help a victim.

I remember the sense of disbelief when this happened , its hard to take in that so much time has passed.

Let us hope that the lessons have been learned…properly.

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Did I say you were a bully?

Here:

“Some people say he’s a bully such as yourself” unless you want to claim grammatical differences?

plus numerous other examples by implication…implication or reading between the lines!

You see you’re taking what I said and molding it to fit your arguments. What I meant with that remark is that a lot of the time age can translate into wisdom or a greater understanding of something. That’s not always the case, and I can think of many examples to prove it, but sometimes it can apply. You’re taking something I said and blowing it out of proportion.

nope old son….Can didnt come into it…you used your older friends as a justification for your thinking…If you will decide to use such influences for one issue …

Actually Fox is currently the most watched cable television network here in the States, eclipsing even CNN in recent years. O’Reilly’s particular show is the highest rated news show on cable television here and has been for a while. Fox is doing very well with regards to its viewership here in the States.

Not according to up to date figures;http://www.barb.co.uk/viewingsummary/monthreports.cfm?report=monthgmulti

I wonder how much you actually watch the show because I can think of the same number of people he’s had on which disagree with him as those who agree with him. In fact, as for the entire network itself you can find a list of its correspondents and its even in terms of how many are liberal/Democratic and how many are conservative/Republican.

Well as i said before we just watch it these days when we want a laugh…or to see what way they handle the bigger news stories…nothing changes its still the same old BS from them all the time…

And STOP PRESS…here we go again …..more quality news …..A fire in a scrap yard in Miami… a guy who shot himself in the chest with a nail gun…mind blowing stuff ..and this is meant to be an international News Network??? :rolleyes:

My problem is that you take things out of context or blow them up to fit your arguments.

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What do you mean exactly? Are you referring to people that might know me or meet me and would look at me in a certain way because they don’t like me? Or are you referring to the fact that I’m a human being like everyone else?

i think you will find that most reasonable people dont generalise by judging someone purely by their nationality ,colour or religion.It is a pity that this attitude was not more prevalent amongst some of our leaders as well.

I’m comparing him to various others in the American news media. I don’t know of any foreign people that have a show like him (though I’m sure they are out there), but then again why would I watch a show like similar to O’Reilly’s but from another nation? He covers mostly domestic issues, which is why I watch his show. The extent of his international coverage usually involves a story or two about the troops in Iraq or something of that nature. I don’t watch him for international coverage, and he doesn’t do a lot of that type of story.

Yep i suppose he does cater for a market that shows damn all interest in the opinions of those outside their country …unless there is a dollar or two involved

A bullyboy? Lol……

Yep bullyboy….i notice you ignored his treat to punch another journalist on public TV…

You see…..it’s a similar reason that I actually enjoy watching him. As I said, I don’t agree with everything he says, and I think he sometimes cuts his guests off too quickly which equally irritates me. With that being said, he does bring on guests that will attempt to spin a story or otherwise evade a direct question. He doesn’t allow him to do that, and that’s part of the reason I enjoy him. If you don’t answer a question, he will repeat it until you do.

not quite ..its more a question of getting an answer that he wants…

That’s how in my opinion you get honest answers out of people. You don’t allow them to lie or spin or otherwise take over and interview when you are wanting a direct answer to something you ask.

Ok so how come he never questioned the lies around WMD????

Some people say he’s a bully such as yourself,

Really????? must be in good company with yourself then !!:D though maybe i should apply for a job in FOX then…..mind you i dont take bull from Reps either so prob wouldnt fit in.

but aside from a every now and then when he really is out of line, he gets people to answer up to things that he asks. That’s journalism…..getting the honest answer out of someone’s mouth.

didnt try it with Bush did he??? mind you not much chance of him succeeding ! of course a certain Carol Coleman of RTE ( Irish TV) DID and succeeded !!!

It may not be the way you like to do it, and indeed many people don’t like confrontation,

Ahh so i am a bully who doesnt like confrontation :rolleyes:

but for me personally that’s what I like to see. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it….just a different way of conducting an interview with someone who’s clearly trying to avoid answering a question. Your comments are exactly what I feel is wrong with many people in the world…..people are afraid of confrontation….they are afraid of anything that might not be comfortable and sublime….if you go on O’Reilly’s show you will be treated with respect as long as you answer his questions without trying to evade. He may not agree with you, but he always thanks his guests for coming on the program, and generally speaking gives them the last word.

Ahh right sooo he says thanks and that makes it ok…..Dear god above!!!

Interesting you try to twist my earlier words about age to fit your argument against me and this time using it to compare the BBC and Fox…..how very mature of you…..then again you could just be making a rather odd joke……

Twisting ??? you said it didnt you?? you said that you took council from those older than you didnt you??? so therefore why dont you extend same to the media network…..and yes it is a joke to compare the BBC or indeed even a small countries national broadcaster like RTE here in Ireland to the likes of FOX…Fox sinks without trace when it comes to quality broadcasting and proper journalism

I’m aware that the internet has thousands news websites from all sources and all corners of the globe, but to expect me to sit on the internet for a few hours each day just to read 18 different write-ups of a story is ridiculous. Can you honestly say that you read through news websites for a given story from the respective news agencies of Canada, England, South Africa, Nepal, China, and Russia just to make sure you’ve got “all the facts?”

To be frank going by past posting i dont expect you to do anything much about broadening your view of the world…sorry old son but thats the truth of the matter….it wouldnt take that long for you to log onto the likes of the BBC or for that matter any major news network world wise to see another perspective to what you are seeing in the US…and whats wrong with getting all the facts .it could be something you could teach some of your political leaders….those who become President for example

I told you before, and I’ll tell you again. I use the internet for just basic news stories, and generally speaking the AP provides a basic info-only account on what’s going on both here and abroad. I don’t need to read the same story on Al-Jazeera’s website (which I did browse through and found quite amusing……), the BBC’s website, and the CCTV’s website to understand what happened……

Yeah right!!! Fox is such a great station that their viewing figures are disappearing down the plug hole…..your great pal O’Reilly has how many viewers ????

What am I trying to learn from the news aside from the basic facts about a given story? I watch O’Reilly’s program to actually get various points of view (yes, he does put on people with multiple points of view on a story…..I’ve seen him do it countless times) on stories happening here in the States. I watch just the basic Fox news broadcasts on throughout the day to update myself on what’s going on with just basic “this and that happened” types of stories. The AP is actually even better for just hearing about various things happening here and around the world.

O’Reilly and some of his mind blowingly blinkered cohorts generally only have those who will agree with his point of view…If he doesnt he will make damn sure that those who oppose his view are outnumbered by those who do..

That’s your opinion, but I don’t see it that way. They aren’t as left-wing as many other news agencies here in the States, and the fact that our media was headed in that direction is precisely why Fox was created….to provide more of a balance than what you could find on say CNN.

Now you are joking ….you have to be…..” arnt as left wing”??? that is somewhat akin to saying that Attilla the Hun was a tree hugger!!

To say it’s a right-wing propaganda machine is ridiculous because I’ve seen many people (including O’Reilly, Alan Colmes, and others) criticize the President and his administration on many issues as well as the criticize the Republican party in general). The difference is that the network also has people who criticize the left or the Democrats here. That in itself is why the network is thought of by some as right-wing propaganda. It’s more right-wing than say NBC, but certainly not a right-wing propaganda machine as you make it out to be.

But they constantly ignore many many vitally important issues…. for example How long did it take FOX or for that matter many other US media outlets to even mention the worst natural disaster to hit this world of ours…where was it in the timetable when the rest of the world were running bulletin after bulletin???

Despite that you think, I’m not stupid, and I can read between the lines…

Its a pity you couldnt read between the lines when it comes to American FX policy.

That’s just as well as I would have ignored it anyway just as you do my posts. The bottom line is you don’t like FNC, and you have your reasons. I like it, and I have my reasons. We both feel we have valid reasons, and neither of us will budge on our point of view. End of story.

Yep as i have said before ignoring the rest of the world and its opinions , sensitivities and traditions seems to be par for the course amongst a certain element of US society…

Who would you be referring to as WE?

IRELAND…home of proper journalism and formally home to too many members of the UN murdered by either Israel or its native militias…

There you go again with the friends or family comment. Does it make you feel good to continually twist something I said a long time ago around to fit your new argument?

What is your problem with your being reminded of your past postings or are you so ashamed of past revelations re attitudes and prejudices??

I’ve actually learned quite a bit from others here on this very forum which is true even in your case although the things I’ve learned from you aren’t likely what you’d have to wanted to get me to understand…..just as I’m sure you’ve learned from me what type of American you likely would want to avoid.

oh i have known what type of Yank to avoid for many many years…the type who has a persecution complex and uses same as an excuse to impose their viewpoint on the rest of the world by fair means or foul..the type who thinks of no one else but himself and ignores the cost to others if a dollar is to be made…

Oooh…..sounds like a threat! 🙂 “We WILL be heard!” 🙂 Very intimidating.

here we go again…..threatening??? I thought the whole idea of American democracy was that everyone had the right to be heard..or is that a psrt of the constitution yo would like to see removed….gets more like animal farm every time:rolleyes:

But there you go…proved another of my points havent you…talk about a persecution complex

According to Hurrifan I’m not intelligent enough or of the proper intellectual level to take part in one of those so I hate to burst your bubble, but you probably won’t see one of those. 🙂

[I][B]well you could always try…….

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Life’s a dance you learn as you go..old bud..try it sometime

Have you ever given a deeper thought to that? Have you ever considered that instead of looking at the flag on your shoulder people might be looking at you in person?

I cannot speak for Hurrifan, but I can speak for myself. I don’t like talking to you not because you are American. It is because you are clearly prejudiced, in fact it is you who is constantly looking at the flags on the shoulders. Every conversation follows exactly the same pattern. You first try to use some arguments. If the other side disagrees, you try to discrdit him with laughable remarks. If he still insists, you try to shut him down.

You very often resort to simple claims that the particular person disagreeing wityh you only does it because of your nationality. That is a lame excuse in order to run from responsibility for your own deeds and prevents you from seeing that you often than not look at other nations ‘from above’ and treat them with less respect than desired. If you finally give a deeper thought to that you will see that most foreigners care about america exactly as little as you care about local elections in France.. This, however, changes immediately after you start to drag your own sh!t outside your borders in the name of american interest, something that you obviously do much too often and in great extent.

Respectfully

Flex

Well said….

It’s long been known that keeping yer pants on is an effective contraceptive. So is a caustic personality mind you ?

so too is the front( non normal reclining) seat of a Renault 9…..:mad: