dont know much about twitching….but it looks like a Buzzard to me alright.

We have had the joy of up to 4 of them flying near the house for the last 3/4 years..fantastic sight and sound..

One of the specialists in Birdwatch Ireland told me that the Film industry frequently used the call of a Buzzard in scenes featuring Eagles in the past..

Might explain why my poor old collie went ape when 1 of them made a low pass down the garden a while back…bit of a Western fan you see !!!

A report in the latest edition of Autobild is reporting that the Aston Martin motor company has been sold by Fords to the French company of Louis Vuitton famous for its handbags. Ford requires the capital to support its operations in the U.S. and the sale was conducted through an auction (not E-Bay!).

If its anything like the 205 i had for a while it will be frightengly quick but prone to bits falling off !!!

sounds like a TVR !!!!:dev2:

Oh boy, I bet they love you describing them that way. Still, like most of your rhetoric this proves that you resort at will to the language of the early 20th Century.

Perhaps you’d be more comfortable using the old terms of reference, imbecile, idiot, moron.

I have worked with hundreds of adults and young children who are challenged in some way. It’s the use of negative language like that you have chosen which effectively ‘handicaps’ those with varied and multiple physical and learning disabilities.

You keep telling someone they are ‘handicapped’ and they will begin to believe it. Try accentuating the positives, no matter how small they are.

Regards,

kev35

Well said Kev,

when my sister was born with Downs and severe heart problems my parents went to various specialists to see what could be done to improve her life. At one meeting they were told that they had an ” idiot ” child and they should learn to live with “it” .They were further advised that she should be put in a home and forgotten about.

Needless to say this advise was ignored and she lived a happy life at home untill her untimely passing.

..And i was foolish enough to think that such thinking was athing of the past.

Kev35

Ah yes “I have worked with hundreds of adults and young children who are challenged in some way………” therefore I have a special insight which makes anything you have to say invalid. 😉

Sauron

Invalid? bit extreme dont you think?

“….have known a number of folks with real handicaps “

Strange terminogy for ANYONE who has even the slightest connection to people who are challenged to use.

and again…..and again…..and again……

[QUOTE=J Boyle;

“Just highlighting your words.[/B] Glad you like my signature…and living up to it, I’ll simply point out you were the one making a generalization.
You’re the one name calling, then accuse me of throwing a tantrum…because you disagree with what I say.
If you don’t like someone’s opinion..no need to resort to name calling.”

I will remind you of that sometime when others resort to their long established tactics of talking down to people and using terms such as “left wing loonies ” to describe either beleifs or individuals…Or is this term acceptable and the description of people such as Pinocet ( remember the US supported mass murderer? ) Thatcher ( Killer of the NHS ..ably followed by Poodle Blair) or the present Burmese Administration as right wing loonies a no no?

So how is it a generialisation to use such terminology for the right wing and not for the left wing or that other dirty word Liberals ?

and please note, for about the tenth time, that i used the term ” Government “……It was not a description of you or any individual on this forum.. Please stop trying to twist words to suit yourself

come to think of it…. your use of the term ” hatefull” makes your accusation of Name calling pretty ripe …. ” with malice towards none” …really????

My use of the term ” looney right wing goverments” was in the following context ;

Do we allow that those who are weak (for no matter what reason ) be treated as contempable beings who deserve 2nd class citizenship? Do we really want to go down that slippery path?

I dont think so and i think that when the time comes for the next elections, here there and everywhere, a fair few people will find that i am not the only one!!!

Still you don’t have to be (in your hateful generalization) a “..right wing looney” to have a bit of sympathy for not only the “underprivileged”
but also the working bloke who is expected to support himself and his family but other people as well.
The funds are not unlimited and they do have to come from somewhere.

All the more reason they need to be spend wisely on those who really need help…and not just an open wallet for those who went out of their way to foul up their own lives.

Interesting use of language from someone who claims ” With malice towards none ” :rolleyes: ..and of course you chose only to use a part of my sentence which was in fact addressed to Looney right wing governments… to be honest if we want to view somewhat less than friendly discourse….well we can leave that up to others to decide!…i know where i can go find some if i ever wanted to ..but i dont!!

I can think of various sayings involving toys being projected from prams at high velocity or a bed not having a right side as a description for this sort of comment .. and that is how i will excuse it!! :dev2:

but back to this rash statement’s content….Need we go through the examples of right wing governments/Administrations who have cut social welfare programmes to the bone? Need we list the ultra Right wing governments/administrations who have viewed those with disability as being not worth the effort ? Need we list the various right wing Governments/Administrations who have destroyed various Public heath services?…and you wouldnt describe at least some of these as looney right wingers?

and once again you ignore the fact that some people arnt as strong as the rest of us and can fall victim to that lack of strength….what is your solution?

Tell us where you’re from so we can make cheap shot and bigoted generalizations…

think like the rest of us he was having a bit of a larf !!:D

We, that is the awful Eurps, are well used to the crack here ….

Generalisations apart!! 😮

I don’t think the UK drug problem…the topic of this thread…was started by UK military veterans with post traumatic stress problems. :diablo:

At some point people choose to do drugs… Who knows why..I can’t believe anyone who having a problem would think…”Heroin will sort me out”.
Kurt Cobain blew his face off because in the words of a friend…he was sick and tried of feeling sick and tired because of his drug problem.

With few exceptions (mainly among the rich who could either afford to get help…or afford to stay strung out and not worry about earning a living) being a serious heroin user has never led to a good outcome.
Still, people make the choice to try it for the first time.

It’s not like booze where you’re expected by society to use it…and some fall into to a serious/tragic addiction.

I never intended to say that military service is the sole cause of the drug problem either here, there or anywhere else! It was meant simply as an illustration of where stress related problems can lead.

i agree that it would seem impossible that they see it as a way to sort things out but rather as with alcohol it is a way to get ” away” from life’s problems for a short time…silly i know but it seems all too common. and again all too often it leads to addiction in both cases.

People also choose to start drinking or smoking for the first time despite knowing the risks involved..should we stop all Government funded programmes aimed at these addictions as well?

And with regards to Society “expectations” ,from what i have come across recently it is unfortunately now as susceptible to ” peer pressure ” even more so than alcohol especially amongst the young.