Yes we can (or at least the RAF Sub Aqua Club) but it was abandoned after the wreck was found to be in 28 (ish) large parts in a thick polluted layer of silt and there were some human remains on board. The latter was the reason for stopping the project. He who was responsible for this decision should be hanged from his b*lls in the heighest tree.
We DO need a Stirling on display!
But who knows what might surface in the years to come. Who would have thought a Kondor would be found.
Cheers
Cees
Damn right !! but not just for the aircraft..if some if the crew are still aboard the decision to leave them there is a disgrace.
He was setting up for finals at Dublin and realised that he wouldnt have enough fuel to make it…..
So he turned headed back to Kerry to get some more !!! BOOM BOOM!!
this is what is known as a Kerryman joke to those of you from outside !
Unfortunately none at the mo…..
but did you hear the one about the Kerry Airways DC3 flight from Farrenfore to Dublin?
Not read that book, but reminds of one of my favourite reads, “As far as my feet will carry me” which is a similar account but this time of a German soldier walking from Siberia to Germany. This book has also been labelled fiction by some but I believe it, and to be honest I’d be gutted if someone came up with ‘hard evidence’ it was made up.
Brilliant book, mine dates from 1959 and gives a pseudonym of “Clements Forell” due to fear of Russian retribution.
Anyone any idea of his real name?
Mind that during the salvage operation of the Ju-52/3m, undertaken by the Hellenic Air Force Underwater ops Team at Leros Island, Greece, the remains (and personal belongings) of a crew member were found.
George
Thanks George , just reminded me of the recent recovery of the Swedish C47 shot down by the soviets which resulted in the recovery of remains .
Alex – I should imagine the storage fees from 1973 to present date would amount to more than the value of a Fury ! I very much doubt if Mr Tallichet would leave it there!
As for the importance of the Fury – more important to the Iraqi people as they don’t seem to have many left with collectors buying some -some being bombed and various others picked to death. Maybe the secret would be to put it in a HAS shelter and forget about her for a while until the Iraqi Air Force museum has had a chance to be
established!
perfect solution…it is their aircraft after all !
Stifling of debate……
so we came from a thread about a Fury to politics about Irak, Iran and Israel? Mods, isn’t it time to lock this thread?
Lock the tread? 😮
Why? They can simply move the relevant section to General discussion where it belongs ! wouldn’t be the first time !!!! :dev2:
Not unsubstantiated at all. The bank accounts are fact and he has chosen not to respond to the UNs questioning regarding the missing charity millions.
I am beginning to wonder of we even talking about the same person here !!! what happened when he made himself available to the vultures in the US Admin and not only faced them down but threw their allegations back in their face? where was their evidence ?
As regards the Iran-Iraq war, I think you’ll find the French and Russians pumped in 95% of Saddams needs. Of course this fact would prevent any US bashing, so we’ll ignore that. And if you’re not concerned about a man who wants to build nuclear weapons, who repeatedly states his aim as wiping Israel off the map, you should be
again i think you havent understood the point..
How many times did Rumsfeld visit Sadam? To what purpose ? Money and Support from an International Power is as important as physical arms !
And when did i mention the present ” crisis ” with regard to the Iranian Nuclear crisis? how long has the Iranian president been in power? I was talking about the Iran/Iraq war of the 80’s !!! Remember it ?
with regards to ignoring things we will leave that to the Blinkered fools in the past and present US & Uk admins who cant see further than the next dollar or how to retain power for that little bit longer !!! 😡
The area around Bagdhad is a mess at the moment. Most of the country is peaceful. As far as the media is concerned, peace doesn’t make for good viewing figures
another Fox news advocate ??
this is reality:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5052138.stm
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/30/iraq.ustoll.reut/index.html
Unfortunately lots of religious extremist are taking every opportunity to grease their own palms, knowing the US will be blamed.
And who provides them with their opportunities? Abu Graib ? Civilian casulaties in excess of 20,000 and prob 50,000 ? Murder and rape by US Forces ? Beatings by UK forces ?
It’s perfectly true that the coalition planning for the end of the war was poor, but it’s not the US running around with death squads.
Poor ? non existant more like ! and as for the death squads ? REALLY?????
WHO NEEDS THEM!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5418814
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6496898/
http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/43590.php?contentType=4&contentId=153393
and sometimes it isnt just Iraqi’s ;
http://blog.canadianjournalist.ca/blog/_archives/2006/10/13/2413985.html
what a disgrace for what for many years was a fine branch of the US armed services.
at last a wake up call………..
or has Poodle Tony fallen for the ” lies ” ?
at last a wake up call………..
or has Poodle Tony fallen for the ” lies ” ?
It took us quitte some time here in the western world to appreciate the value of older aircraft and start collecting, restoring and displaying them. In the meantime a lot of valuable material was lost forever so that we now go under the ice, into the seas and into the swamps to collect the remains of aircraft that were once all too common. If an airframe in Iraq is currently under threat (which they are in my opinion) I would prefer it to be brought out and stored, restored or displayed so that it is preserved for future generations. If Iraq develops in such a way that one day they can foster an interest in historic aircraft the aircraft could always be returned.
but if the Iraqi ‘s DIDNT have an interest in preserving aircraft how did these aircraft survive so far ???? as stated already they have preserved many military artifects only for some of them to fall prey to the all singing all dancing ” smart ” weapons of the much vaunted Western War machine !!!!
gee whizzzz maybe ole SH was going to use the Furies to launch his WMD ??? 😮
In order to prevent any action against the forum…I won’t. But all the info you need isn’t hard to find. Just look into the wealth of a certain oedious, thoroughly corrupt individual with a luxury home in Portugal. A wife who had very large amounts paid into a bank account courtesy of the Iraqi oil ministry and the still unaccounted for sums of money that were supposed to be for an injured Iraqi child. (Concerns raised by the UN!) The man might be articulate, but he’s still utterly corrupt.
sounds interesting though repetitive and proven to be unsubstantiated….
but do you see this as being as contemptible as a certain very senior member of the present US Administration who was a quest of good old Iran bashing Saddam how many times? How much money did the good ole U.S of A. pump into Iraq during their war with Iran? Is this contemptible as well ?
Sorry, ref to Saddam’s massacres, or just gobbing off about something that you know little about? Your wish list for re-construction has been underway since 2003, just because the media chose not to report it doesn’t mean it’s not happening
no harm to you Maple but i think you need a bit of a reality check! If things are soo much better why do the deaths continue in their thousands ? Why are the Allies trying to cover up the number of Iraqi deaths ? Why does the vast majority of the ordinary Iraqi population want all foreign troops out of Iraq ? Why is the rest of the free world soo against the US/UK involvement ?
When will we in the West learn that money does’nt buy you everything? it surely doesnt buy you forgiveness for Torture, maltreatment, oppression , murder and all the other fine things that the are the day to day reality in Iraq thanks to the involvement of the Oil greedy west .
By the by arnt we way ,way off topic…bet this gets moved before to night!!!
Needs to come home I think. Anyone interested?
Home? surely the aircraft ‘s ” home ” is in Iraq where it last served ? Was’nt the aircraft on the strength of the Iraqi airforce? Was’nt it paid for by the Iraqi people?
What right does the UK or anyone else have to remove property that it does’nt own ? It can hardly be claimed as War spoils as after all the War has been over for a long time, according to Bush and his pal Blair! In any other circumstance this would be known as theft !!!!
Yes get her out of harm’s way but take her back where she belongs when things settle down….Will be a long long time though!
Contrary to popular belief which is encouraged by special effects in feature films,it would be a very odd set of circumstances for any human remains to be in a WW2 aircraft wreck in salt water. I am talking about present times.
Not knowing the science I couldnt say …but surely even if there is the slightest chance….they died in defense of our freedom, the freedom of the Free world , surely we owe them that final chance of being laid to rest however remote .