Allison,
Mm, the way you react to someones trauma tends to give a good impression about your character. And it doesn’t paint a positive picture.
You have no intention at all to investigate any possible wrecks but it seems that you are more interested in wasting a lot of webspace on this forum. If you need so much attention then I suggest you get yourself a ferret to annoy.

Cees

Dear god but someone needs a sense of humour….PUT DOWN THE RUDDY HAND BAG WILL YA!!! LOL !!!!

Good job too. Now I have a reputation think, my boot that cluster of dangly bits in your trousers and think pain.
:diablo: :diablo: :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:

Ali
😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

Now that IS sexist dear girl….to assume is a dangerous thing to do….who says ;

1. that i have “dangly ” bits in my trousers :rolleyes:
2. that i would let you anywhere next or near those alleged parts of the male body..if i am male. :confused:
3. that you wouldnt have to fight off the legions of female admirers who would defend a fine bit of Irish beefcake. 😎
4. that you couldnt find something more creative to do if you did travel over here…like diving the silent valley! : :rolleyes:
5. that a person who enjoys inflicting pain would be let loose in civilisied company…still trying to find some actually! :diablo:
6.that you DO have such a reputation ( bark worse than bite and all that) :dev2:
7.that you wear boots…stiletto’s are soooo Much better for a bit of FUN.
8.that WE couldnt find something more creative to do….like discuss the merits of Zen.
9.that i wouldnt ENJOY the pain 😮
10. that at least i would die happy having met the great skydiving deep water leather/lycra wearing ali :dev2:

but remember…..ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME

ENOUGH CRAP AT WORK…DONT NEED TI HERE AS WELL!!!

Interesting…two people who obviously have the best interests of the history of aviation and one of the few genuine cases of a fight for freedom and its handbags at dawn! ( no sexism intended or i hope taken!) 🙁

come on guys there is enough crap in this world without taking pride and slights (real or otherwise) as such a thing of importance …you could be in southern Lebanon or northern Isreal for that matter..

On the other hand there ARE too many people who DONT like new ideas or new blood ! and we need new blood and ideas to progress in this world.

there is right and wrong on both sides of any debate or argument and sometimes people can be short without an intention of offence or even knowing they are doing it…its just the way they are ..made that way by life and their experiences.

bit of advice…you have to roll with the punches or learn the ancient chinese self defense method…Washing the car ( karate KId for those too young)…and /or count to six, sixteen,or sometimes 6966!

” beneath this stone, this lump of clay , lies uncle peter daniels, who too early in the monthof may took off his winter flannels” 😀

The IRA bombed us for years and we didn’t level Belfast or attack the South did we. Just because some people may not like what Israel is doing (me included) doesn’t make them anti semitic – it’s a nation doing the bombing not a religion.

The Israelis invented terrorism,ironically during their armed struggle against us Brits their “freedom fighters” kidnapped two British soldiers and killed them.

It’s not so clever of the Lebanese to vote in Hezbollah or the Palestinians to vote for Hamas, but you can understand why they did. No real change will happen until there is a nation state for the Palestinians, but even then I doubt if there will ever be peace.

IT MIGHT NOT BE CLEVER BUT ITS THEIR RIGHT TO OTE IN WHO THEY LIKE!!! OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM FRANCE /GERMANY/UK TELLING YOU WHO YOU COULD AND COULD NOT VOTE FOR?

WASNT EVERYONE SCREAMING AT THEM TO EMBRACE DEMOCRACY FOR YEARS?

People & governments never learn from the mistakes of others or from their own history…What for instance was one of the basic causes of the troubles in Northern Ireland? what was the catalyst? very simple…..one man one vote…which didnt exist in a part of the United Kingdom untill the early 70’s!!! Prior to that you had to own your home to have a vote,Religious discrimation was the expected norm, the working class both Protestant& Catholic had no voice…..

and Succesive British Governments ignored what was brewing on their own doorstep and we all know the result..

i have said it before and will say it again …oppression, discrimination will result in revolt… WHY CANT PEOPLE LIVE AND LEARN….IMPOSE YOUR WILL OR THE KIND OF ” DEMOCRACY” NOW IMPOSED IN IRAQ/PALESTINE ETC AND YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE OF AN UNSTABLE AND VERY DANGEROUS WORLD

As per link on the top of this page!!!

“Peace in Hurricanes
You can have peace with God In the midst of hurricanes “

Now who can disagree with this statement!!! the ultimate accolade!

This is a terrible situation and the Israelis are doing the Jewish people no good what so ever.

Naturally current affairs has allways been a major topic of conversation, but what has shocked me deeply over the last few days is the number of angry people who have expressed views in private that border on the ‘intellectually anti-semetic.’ Now bearing in mind that the Jews have been persecuted and subject to pogroms and attrocities since at least the middle ages, I can see that the root anti-semitism that the Nazis manipulted is still deeply ingrained and could easily again raise its head.

The really scary thing though is that the Nazis killed so many more Jews than earlier persecutions/attrocites/genocides because they applied industrial technology to the process. With advances in technology one can only be terrified at what another state sponsored, organised and funded holocaust might achieve.

If we want to prevent this (and I certainly do) then we need to understand the causes of the holocaust and a simplification of it to ‘Evil Nazis and Inncoent Jews’ is just not good enough, if only because the relationship between Jews and Germans had broken down long before Hitler came on the scene. As indeed it has done between Jews and host peoples in numerous places before on numerous occaisions.

We tend to be historians and their ilk upon this site, maybe the time is ripe for a proper debate upon this subject, rather than shying back from it, because it is PC to just accept the common simplification of ‘Evil Nazis (which they undoubtably were) and Inncoent Jews’

However is a Historic aviation Forum the right place?

Steve.

I think with slaughter of this magnitude any place is the right place !

What i cant get my head around is how can a people (or the government of that people) who have suffered so greviously in the past cause others to suffer so much over all these years?

Theirs is not the only Government ( Yo Bush could do with listening AS WELL!) to ignore the fact that the more you opress the more rebellion you will cause, the more innocents who die the more the next generation will grow to hate you..I honestly fear for a world that has ignored these basic facts for so long..I cant see us surviving intact for much longer ,god forbid even more 9/11’s 7/7’s Madrids etc…it will only get worse.

I know i have raised this before but the originality of some of these ” restored ” aircraft has to questioned .The spitfire shown above is i think a good example..While it is great to see them alive again in reality how can we say that it is the “original ” a/c ? its looks like there was damn all left of the a/c to truthfully say that what graces the sky now is an original spitfire! I dont know the story of this particular a/c but Where do you draw the line? is a small piece of spar or whatever,as some people think, enough?

but then i am a bit sentimental about these things with all the reproduced retro stuff/c**p you can buy in the shops!

Best of luck with the recovery ! 🙂