edisononeFascinating, Edison. But when I started this little thread here it was about old UH-60 short on spares once more showing up operationally in the media, after the last real thing I’ve heard about them was a scandal involving T700 engines.
It was not about the Mainland China – Formosa question. And fyi, I’ve been to Shanghai and Hongkong and Macau and Canton (which I don’t spell Guangzhou) and Peking (which I don’t spell Beijing) and Nanking (which I don’t spell Nanjing). And I know very well that at least the westernized urban parts of the special economic zones are no more communist than Piccadilly Circus is.
But you can spare your vigor, I will continue the call Red China Red China anyway.
Mr. Distiller,
I wasn’t going to post anymore, but you prompted me here
so here goes: Mr, Distiller, has anyone ever told you that you make for
:p a damn good anchor for “a CNN’s Lou Dobbs replacement” :p ? In fact, if you go for his job, you’ll put
the guy to shame because he’s softening his tones now ever since the
Latinos had put the pressure on him for his racist Latino remarks.
“The above applies to all who are critical of the position I take here.”
Sorry mods (Frank in particular).
I had to break that promise I made if only
for once. Therefore excuses.
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edisononeBecause you had East and West Germany, it was easy to differentiate them like that on a map. Like you have North and South Korea. In both cases, those countries were/are of a pretty similar size
As for China and Taiwan, this is much more tricky.Now, as a moderator: this thread is about Chinese (Communist) operated UH-60s. Not about the terminology to use when referring to China. And this will be my only warning, if you don’t stop trolling right away, you will have to face the consequences of it.
Thanks for the warning, Frank. If the sentiments here is so
un-China/un-Chinese firendly, then it’s not worth a dime anyhow. Upon
your descretions, please do feel free to tick me off anytime.
Better still, and since I know I won’t stand
a chance against the mods here anyhow, I’ll make it easier for you —
Goodbye Frank and thanks for the fun times!
http://www.wforum.com/wmf/uploads/qiangdaoqiangdao.jpg
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edisonone:diablo: Dude!! You Are Owned!!! :diablo:
Request you to open your eyes and look at the bigger picture.
Please stop having such a complex and grow up.
No one here ment bad about china.
Maybe no one would have noticed.
but you had to poke your nose, din’t you?I do hope you find it easier to read my posts this way? Please do let me know your feedback on the same chini bhai.
Labeling is labeling no matter how one tries to cover it up or how one tries
to smother it “with lame excuses”. Labeling is mean Man! Doubly mean!!! For example: Why the “term Hermit
State” when people can simply call it North Korea as it should be known as?
Do you guys know that if we all respect each other more instead
of picking on (or labeling or branding) one another that the chances of conflicts between
people and nations will decrease hugely? I mean why the bias?
I’m still looking for an answer as to why East Germany was never referred
to as “Red Germany” and why North Korea has never been refered to as “Red Korea”,
even if Castro’s pathetic Island state can be exempted from the labeling.
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edisononeTaiwan is not merely a province of China, it is an independent country. Nevertheless, your mention of Taiwan as a mere province of China is rather indicative of where your sympathies lie.
The Island enjoys an autonomy of kind, but, that’s only
because certain powers in the west are exploiting it ‘by military means if
necessary’, as a tool to keep the Chinese in check.
I mean give this guy some credit for his couragousness and,
http://bbs13.xilu.com/cgi-bin/bbs/view?forum=zgyb&message=151932
for his ability to speak logic, truth & things that makes sense.
“Red China” was not created as a perjorative term, it was created as shorthand for “Communist China” without having to use the military’s “ChiCom” shorthand. There’s no need to say “Red Cuba” because there aren’t two Cubas. Yet both Taiwan and China are called “China” (ie the People’s Republic of China and the Republic of China”), hence the need for differentiation. There is absolutely no racist overtone to this term whatsoever, and I would suggest that you stop with your Quixotic attacking of things that don’t exist before you make yourself look even more foolish.
And [B][COLOR=Red]Germany[/COLOR][/B]??? How’s about
the Koreas??? :p C’mon Impi! You are way smarter
than that and we all know that.
In any case, I am led to believe that the colour red is considered a particularly auspicious colour in Chinese mythology, where it has come to symbolise prosperity and good fortune.
Is this a joke or somethin’??? I mean
since when did anyone ever wanted the Chinese to have any
“good fortune”, military or otherwise?
Let’s not be too overly ironic here and let’s be honest with ourselves: If in doubt
just asked Lou Dobbs the mentality behind it. I mean everytime he uses the term. I mean it
almost jumpped out of that eye of his whenever he uses the tern “RED CHINESE”.
I mean that high “RED CHINESE” horse — it’s old and it’s out of
fashion. Try simply the term “Chinese” instead. You may find that you’ll like
them more if you don’t harbour any bias towards them. After all, they respects you.
Why not return them the same friendly manner and the respect?
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edisononeSeems like somebody in the PRC are still interested in F-16 technology.
‘Taiwanese man, Frenchman charged in alleged plot to ship an F-16 jet engine to China’
Old news and not worthy of mentioning. Every now and then,
there will always be some kind of a “Wen Ho Lee” conspiracy hatched
specifically to put the Chinese on the international spotlight.
I’d bet they wouldn’t need to think twice about peeping
into the makings of the J-10 and FC-1 too if it is available “in the open
market”. So what’s the big deal even if founded to be true?
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edisononeSome guys are way beyond help. 😉
Beyond help :p ???
Does that apply to societies that can’t seem to get over the infatuation
or the obssesion they have with their colored eye glasses also :p ? I mean all of a sudden,
there sure’s the heck seems to be plenty of such individuals in this board.
I mean Man!!! The Hermit state? The evilization of personalities
in whom you do not like with terms/labeling such as a dictators simply because they
don’t sing your song? Or, labels as axis of this and axis of that?
I mean that’s mean Man! And creative with words of course – very creative.
Bravo Guys! As seems, you’re an open book.
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edisononeOh you see if any of us said that ‘well they’re all the same really aint they’ you’d have a go as well, so I can’t win either way. Just stop being so stupid and let us actually discuss the damned issue at hand. Namely, the status of the fantastic Chinese UH-60’s. Any thoughts anyone?
That coat of arm (or flag), Barnow, isn’t it Himalayanish?
If so, what would your reaction be if I were to discriminatively give it a
culturally labeling terminology “I thought” was becoming?
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edisononeWell there is a distinction because there are two Chinas… the PRC, and Taiwan… you have to be able to make a distinction somehow don’t you?
Nic
Get this: There is China and China have a province
known as Taiwan and it’s known “simply as Taiwan” and not
as Red Taiwan or Blue Taiwan or even White Taiwan.
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edisononeOh for the love of Peter… It’s CLEARLY meant to be about Communist China, and has no racist meaning. Stop being so paranoid would you?
It is more than that and I’m sure you know it as well.
But, I guess that since Chinese are such easy pickin’s that it’s easy
to excuse oneself of the bigotry isn’t it? Particularly if and when most Chinese members
of this board are so afraid to voice their opinions and would thus painstakenly try their best to shy
away from or to avoid using certain racial terms and suggestion that some here do to avoid
confrontation. I mean why can’t people get off of their obsessions???
Anyway, somebody’s got to get the ball rolling
here about this negative atitudes towards the Chinese and if I have
to be the one to initiate it, then so be it.
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edisononeIt’s up to the mods, obviously, but how is the term “red chinese” racist? Red is the color traditionally associated with communism as a political system. It’s a shorter way of saying “communist china”. I mean, if I refer to the “orange revolution” in the Ukraine, does that make me a racist?
Arguments:
There’s more to it than that and you know it! I mean I can almost
smell that CNN-LDb’s stench it. I mean why not the Red Vietnamese? Or
the Red Cubans? Or maybe the Red Koreans, and so on and so forth?
Why Red Chinese????
Even in Soviet era Russia, it was never known as the Red
Russia or the Red Soviets. It was simply known as the USSR. Equally true:
it was East or West Germany or Communist Germany. Never had I heard of the
term Red Germany applied to the Germans or anyone else.
Why the discriminative distinction???
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edisononeI would suspect that this adjective was added simply to make a distinction between the PRC (which is still led by the Communist Party, aka the reds) and Taiwan. In this context, it does not seem to be a derogatory terms to me !! At least that is the way I took it when reading the text.
“Mainland China” verses the “Island of Taiwan“:
For that argument, I would suggest for people to try and get use to the
idea, or to try to fathom, or try to digest the truth even, that the realities of today’s world
is that the term “RED THIS” or “RED THAT” is old! very old!!! In fact it’s a term that belongs to
the 50s and the 60s — it is not applicable to 21st century China anymore.
I mean :p is Lou Dobbs of CNN :p , too, in this board???
Anyway, if in doubt, I recommend for all to give her a visit.
Hey! You have everything to gain and nothing to lose with such a visit. I mean
aside from the airfare, a thousand dollars USD in spending money and you’ll live like a King in
China and no gratitutes are required though it’s your option.
I mean if such a visit’ll help
dispell the myth that China is “Comie RED”
so to speak, then why not?!
And if you do give the country a visit? You’ll find that it’s all
smiles there; you’ll find that the population is mostly friendly, mostly well
groomed and well mannered; matter of factly, you’ll probably feel more at home there
than the Chinese do because it’s so “freely-western” there…
It’s certainly isn’t “RED” as people like to distinguish it!
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edisononeLast I heard Yawar was an Indian name. One wonders where and how you have these so called sources. :rolleyes:
A bit of Chinese humor:
http://www.wforum.com/wmf/posts/1115262141.html
No disrespect of course.
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edisonone.
To all:
Sorry, but I find the term “Red Chinese” as discriminative to the point
where it leans towards racism. Don’t you agree. I mean Chinese are Chinese,
there’s no such thing as “Red Chinese, white Chinese, or Green Chinese”.
I mean why such distinctions? Why the bias? Why “the labeling”?
Why not simply just Chinese because that’s what they are – Chinese! I mean when will
people get over with their “Jurassic Park ChiCom” obsessions?!!!
Sorry but I had to relate this to everyone because people are
still picking on the Chinese simply for “picking on the Chinese sakes”. Give China
a visit people then let me know how “RED” the Chinese are!!!
PS: Please mods!!! This thread deserves a place in this forum.
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edisononePre Tianammen, the attitude of the US to China is very different. China in fact was being pursued as a potential F-16 buyer but cannot afford so. Even then the J-8II Peace Pearl upgrade was to fit the APG-66 (the F-16A’s radar) into the J-8IIs.
I don’t think however that China has any F-16 post Tianammen.
There were rumors or
http://www.f-16.net/news_article649.html
tales of F-16s defections
edisononeI knew the Fantan didn’t carry muntions larger than 500-kg…I was just asking if the PLA has any laser-guided weapons of that size perhaps for use on JH-7 or Su-30.
I’ve noticed the bit about the rocket pods though with multiple pictures of Q-5’s and J-11’s using them in exercises floating around.
Any pictures of the LS-250? It would seem to be a better fit for most missions for the Q-5….like I said for something like tank plinking. the GBU-12 has proven to be a great weapon for this so I’d assume the LS-250 (or is it LS-250J?) would be a good weapon for it too.
You happen to know the name of the targeting pod the Fantan uses?
I knew the Fantan didn’t carry muntions larger than 500-kg:
:p Don’t worry, F-4. It won’t head for this village in this Island
under the Chinese sun you are sitting pretty. They have to worry about
those killer of an American made J-6.99s or F-CK’s you know. :p
:p BTW, are you guys now going to rename
that plane to something else now that you’ve toppled
the Dad’s Godly figurine :p from the Island?
:p If so, then how’s about he name F-CSB-1 instead :p. After all,
it have that ring to it, don’t you think? Or, the name IAF (or “the Indiginous Annette
fighter”) would work too. I mean it’s even more sexier than CSB :p .
Just havin’ a little fun. No hard feelin’s.
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