Sea Fury Fan, many thanks for the pics, so sad, I must admit the last time I was there back in Feb 04 when we got permission to visit the QRA shed to get photos and measurements of the crew quarters, I almost had a tear in my eye, the place was a shadow of its once former proud self, the weather was typical Binbrook, cold wind, rain, oh and some snow thrown in for good measure.
I very much doubt I will go back again.
You cant save em all I suppose.
Come along to Brunty on 22nd July and relive some of those memories
Cheers
re the git seals 3/4 by 1 inch available from Blue Diamond in Southampton, thats where I got some for 458
re 728 just a theory
If the IVV is not doing its stuff and the flaps are blocked off it it is entirely possible that the tank is beibg drawn down to a vacuum by fuel transfer to the engine. the only inward path being the transfer pipe fitted in mod er forgot its number but it is onle a 3/8 dia and limmited to the rate of ballance specially if the tank is nearly empty.
Is the situation worse with empty tank.
This from long conversation under wing of 53-671 at GAM with milt n dave a couple of weeks back.
Got pressure gauges to cover the relevent pressures and a little logger to strap in the wheel bay. if any help
still cant figurt out why it dose it on a run could be tied up with the datum pressure and ram air pressure in the LE throught the LE slot.
jb154
We are getting off the thread I think some what,
Give me a call when you get chance and I will give you the latest sorry story, things have changed in the last few weeks.
Cheers
The thaught of mjr being close to 724 is well interesitng.
Perhaps I should wisper in the “Elephants ear” of 53-671 (an old friend) she might have something to say about the budding relationship, I will commune with 671 and enshure all is OK she iscoming on a treat.
Question
Are thel flaps on 728 sealed off from the fuel system to prevent leaks from the flap hinge seals. Always a prob on Lightnings.
This is a bit of info I need reply with PM to jb154
got a logger and sensors for 3500, +/- 15psi and 15 psi and a logger. have cunning plan re stagnation.
if personalities get in the way can contract out to the mythical mjr
RB
The reason, I put MJR’s name forward was he is closer to 724 than I.
Hi yes, we blanked 728’s flaps off about 12 years ago, the repacing of ‘git’ seals got to better of us 🙂 we also had none left, also blanked 904’s off as well.
😮 😮 😮 who owna the lightning???!!! i want it, is ti really still there, definitely not beyond saving 😀
XR724, was brought and flown back to Binbrook from storage at Shawbury after Warton had used her FI up on the Foxhunter radar trials back in 1990, got a load of shots of her arrival if your interested ?
The story of her being made flight worthy for the delivery trip (under Wartons banner) would make a good book.
She is owned and looked after by the Lightning Association (MJR will fill the details in about her current state as he is closer to her than I)
I understand she had her last antidet run back in Jan 07, again MJR will fill the details in of how she stands servicabltily wise
Have a look here http://www.lightning.org.uk/
Unfortuntatley she is now stranded, and without a serious amount of money and the right people with lots of time to spare to strip her properly she is staying where she is, I know for for certain that Charles Ross has her best interests at heart.
Cheers
Andy, youre most welcome for the pat on the back, its well deserved. In ’88 I was 14 and thought all Id see in the future would be static lifeless Lightnings or chopped up cockpits, teams like yours have proved that classic Ladies can be kept alive safely.
As for 1 outta 2 aint bad I was originally under the impression that a return to flight was the aim of the LPG, hence wings clipped and still stretch her legs just a bit of a brain f@rt on my part, sorry for that.
Thanks for explaing the Radar “Boot” and well Im amazed that such a system was used in such a super fast aircraft, as if the pilots didnt have enough to do keeping themselves alive, no wonder the Frightning Drivers were Top Notch Pilots.
Bex
Hi Bex, no worries, its just been my ‘hobby’ for 20 years, I was only 20 in 88 when the LPG was formed by a few die hard ‘crash gate 3er’s’ so Ive kind of grown up with it.
We have never been in the ‘game’ of a return to flight for either of our two aircraft, the aim was to preserve an airframe, the engine running and fast taxying came along the way, this will ultimately end one day soon and we will retire them both to the QRA hanger and stand back and say, ‘that was fun’ 😀
It was and is always going to be a Saturday aftenoon hobby for all of us.
Yes the Lightning pilots were always the cream of the crop.
The lightning cockpit has a very high work load, even when its stationary with one engine running 😀
Cheers
Andy what can I say? Other than bl00dy well done to your team past & present for all your hard work. It must have been heartbreaking to see her land knowing she’d have her wings clipped. Atleast she can still stretch her legs, 1 outta 2 aint bad 😀 Oh, in the photo of the cockpit, theres a “Rubber thingy” bent upwards on the starbard side level with the gunsight. Bex
Bex, many thanks for pat on the back.
Actually its wasnt to tear jerking, the aim of the LPG from day one was to preserve a Lightning, which when she arrived all those years ago was the major objective achived, it was a relief that she didnt end up like the others, upside down, like a dead insect being ripped apart.
The rest is as they say ‘history’ 😀
What do you mean 1 otta 2 aint bad ?
The ‘Rubber thingy’ as you so techincally put it is the radar ‘boot’, the pilot would unclip it, fold it down and then be able to pear down to view the radar screen, not the easiest of things to do, mind you what am I saying nothing on a Lightning is easy 😀
Cheers and hope to see you in July
Wonder where the QRA Metro went… great photos and I have to say that you guys do a brilliant job…. well done so far. Here’s to the next 19 years!:cool:
Ive no doubt it went where all the others went 😀
Thanks John, we do ‘try’
Do you reckon it’ll be fixed for the 22nd July?
Quick answer to that is unforuntatley ‘no’ I think we another way ward FCU on the the No2 engine, and this is not a quick ‘fix’
Its a shame as we have slowly been working our way though the reheat and fuel system over the last few years to try and pin point the snag, we got it all back together, then we were faced with starter snags once we began to test her out, which we have now sorted and now the FCU on the engine seems to be giving us grief.
thanks for the info guys, what’s it like being strapped into one on full reheat, or are there no words that can do this experience any justice 😀
Ive never let the brakes off in reheat, Ive run both our two many times staticly into reheat one engine at a time and thats enough for a mear mortal 😮 Your concentration levels go into over drive, eyes on the dials, eyes on the people on the ground. Its interesting to say the least.
I have taxied 728 slowly (40- 50mph) which is a good speed to allow the brakes not to snatch to much, I really can not image what its like to drop both burners in and let the brakes off, I think to term ‘I was with all the way to brakes off’ is a good way of describing it.
Cheers
Andy B (LPG)
Tyres are for holding the tarps and covers down when they are put to bed at night, suspect they are stacked on the port wing for convenience.
Regards,
John.
Spot on John, they will be the first things to go when we get that roof on the Q shed, belive me 😉
We leave them on the wing as they are usually full of water and very heavy, theres no reason to stain our backs throwing them back on for antidet runs
Here they are in ‘action’

Hi, got a few shots for you here, drop me an Email with your address and I will send the rest in the post on a CD for you 🙂
Our wheel wells arent as cleans as MJR’s ours are covered in drity wax oil 🙂







Lots more detailed shots in the post 🙂
Cheers
I did see a couple of Lightnings, but they were partly covered in tarpaulins, with tyres over them to hold the tarpaulins down, so wouldn’t have made a good photo. I was on a visit with members of Solway Aviation Museum from Carlisle. The Carlisle gate guardian Vulcan, XJ823, of which we are custodians has surrendered a few parts towards getting XH558 airborne again.
XJ823 will be open for guided tours on Sunday afternoons 2:00 till 4:30 until the end of October.
Many thanks to all at Vulcan to the Sky for showing us round.
Only joking 🙂
I know they look awfull with those covers and tyres on, never any good for photos, maybe next time 🙂
All the best with XJ823
Great pics, thanks for posting, but where’s our Lightnings, surely you didnt miss out our Q shed ?
Cheers:)
My fondest memories are things like wanting to look at the exhausts of a running Lightning (which you could walk up to and touch non of this nanny state stuff we have now) or the memorable Hercules display of the guy putting a mark on the runway and the aircraft taking off before it got to the mark.
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If you come to Bruntingthrope in July you will be able touch as much of either our two Lightnings as you want,:D even climb in them for a small fee 🙂