Now, a very big what if…. but just supposing…in our wildest dreams…these two eminent gentlemen had shut the lid and pushed the throttles forward into reheat, bearing in mind I know nothing of the location ; would there have been enough runway, enough fuel on board for a circuit, and is the aircraft in all other respects airworthy with the only obvious restriction being the ruling that prohibits this beautiful aircraft from now flying in the UK?:dev2:
Just to add to John’s exellent answer 😉
There is no reason, why these two gentlemen couldnt have taken 458 for a
circuit, as 458 like our two and 724 at Binbrook all were as John points out flown to there current locations.
728’s radar is still operative, all bang seats and fire bottles were made safe within hours of delivery of both of ours.
What would happen to us ‘owners’ inside the world our ‘little’ hobby after this kind event doesnt bear thinking about.
Im affraid to say the aborted takeoff’s you see us do at Brunty infront of the public are as close as your gonna get, just come along when you can and enjoy the sounds, smells and the sight, we do 😉
But it takes one hell of alot of work and money to support even our limited ‘operation’ belive me;)
As for our two being airworthy after 20 and 15 years on the ground with our ‘tinkering’ and running Im not sure, there is no reason why not, but……………….. there’s alot to go wrong inside em.
This coming weekend will be one of those occasions, where we spend hours fighting with 728s pipes, bleeding knuckles, swearing, triple jointed arms, working upside down,at arms length, all spanners tied to yer arms, oh the fun we are gonna have.
Cheers from us all in the LPG and good look to all the Lightning ‘lads’ out there, you know who you are :rolleyes:
Buccsociety has it about right, remember the vehicle storage contracts are the bread and butter income for Bruntingthorpe, none of us would be there rent free/come and go as we please and are allowed to hold public open days for free, if it wernt for these cars and Davids generosity we would be nowhere.
Cheers
Dam it !!!!:diablo: Will it go a head at a later date?
Probably not, sorry, we the LPG are planning to re run our cancelled twlight static reheat ‘do’ in early Nov, more info when I have it.
We are as disapointed as everyone
Sorry
We have to respect Davids commercial decsion and support him, as he has been unstinting in supporting us over the last 20 years.
Remember there is still the twlight bash coming up in Nov
More on that one when I know
We still intend to be at the airfield all weekend, as we have all planned our ‘life’ around being there, we now intend to have half our ‘crew’ on painting and the other half on ‘chucking’ the pipes back in 728, as while Ive been on ‘me jollies’ Jim and Jack have pressure tested the AMCU and done all the other checks and Im glad to say all is good.
The areos will be open if anyone wants to have a look, we might be busy, and you might hear some interesting ‘words’ but thats Lightnings
Cheers
Got one from Fish re youtube
Me to
Hi Peter, the chaps above have got it right, our 728 was also on on the LTF, the last F6 to be extact to serve with them.
Cheers
Andy, Ritch et al
any dates confirmed for the next running days this year?
ATB
TT
Hi Ben,
The only one planned and booked with DW at the mo is our Jimmy Dell memorial day, its also our 20th year doing this ‘little’ hobby, so we plan to make it a goodun

There could well be another BAH day in Sept sometime (dont shoot the messenger if there aint one :rolleyes:)
We are in the process of planning and finding a suitable date to the rerun the caneled twlight static reheat ‘bash’ with 904, (hope she dont go crowd shy again) it most likely will be in early November after the clocks have gone back, more details when I know 😉
Cheers:)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7485852.stm
This is great news well done all 🙂
Sorry for such a lamens question, But when starting a “historic” jet, what is the role of the wheeled generator type thing that the crew attach to the aircraft. Is it just literally a generator to spin the engines up :confused:
Hi,
The ‘wheeled generator’ we use to start the Lightning is in fact a 24v Trolley Acc, basicly two 12v lorry batteries connected together, this gives the aircraft ground power, a Hochin ground set is the thing to use really which gives both AC and DC power and has plenty of ‘umph’ (a big engine with a large geni and alternator basicly).
We get by just fine with our Acc which is very low maintance
Once the Acc is connected, the aircraft can be readied to start up, this on a Lightning invloves a complicated series of events thats abit to detailed to go into here, but basiclly the ‘shot’ of avpin is used to create a fast ‘blast’ of gas into a primary turbine which turns a reduction and winds the engine up to idle RPM of 34% with in 9 seconds, at this stage with pumps on and HP **** (throttle) open the engine should become self sertaining.
There is alot more to it than that, but thats the basic’s
Come to Brunty sometime and I can show you exactly how is all works, its much easier to explain face to face 😉
Cheers
Nice one mate, 😉
A great day, and like you say 904 did us proud, mind you she didnt want to play at first, gave us the run around for an hour with a spurious starter fuse snag, Lightnings ! :rolleyes:
Good to see you had a good day as well, Dennis our pilot for the day certainly did, having a go in 333 then jumping in 904.;)
You will be glad to hear our 20th anniversary ‘do’ up in the control tower went on into the wee small hours of Sunday morning, Peter Collins gave us all and enthralling after dinner talk about his and Jimmy Dells time on AFDS in the last 50’s when they were working hard to get the Lightning into service, some interesting stories and a very nice fella.
Have just got home, feeling some what ‘fuzzy headed’
We presented Dave Walton with a framed ‘Q shed scramble’ pencil line drawing for all of his unstinting support he has given us over the last 20 years, he was visably touched and thanked us with a few very nice supportive words, if it wasnt for him we wouldnt be doing what we do today.
Thankyou David 🙂
Here’s to the next 20 years
I will post a few of my snaps of the day on the Q shed thread later
Cheers 😉
[QUOTE=Eye on the Sky;1252689]Really enjoyed my first visit to Bruntingthorpe this weekend, even though its was moist to say the least. Cherry on the cake was certainly the cockpit tour of the Lightning and its subsequent run, it was superb and a real credit to the LPG. My girlfriend liked the Guppy, but only because it kept her dry, though she soon warmed to the QRA Shed. She even got out of the car and back into the pouring rain to watch the Lightning run, and was very impressed. We both enjoyed the day and will without doubt return in the not too distant future. Many thanks to Andy (320PSI) from the LPG for the cockpit tour, i’ll try and get over one Saturday with the Avon folder.
Thanks to all involved!
Dean
No worries Dean, glad you enjoyed your day with us, great pics by the way 😉
See you soon
Hi all, didnt get many shots this weekend, as we were busy, sorry
But got a few snaps on Sunday
Sunday first thing just before it started raining






And right at the end, 558 going to bed, and the rain had typically just stopped 😡



The shot I should have got is firmly imprinted in my memory, as we raced (well 71mph in a 1981 Tranny van) after 904 to collect the soaking wet chute and check the brakes I was struck by a great sight, we raced (everything shacking)over the hill there straight in front of us was 904, rain beating down on her and the runway, heat rising from her, chute blowing about in the exhaust and to top it a dark menacing sky behind her, she looked perfect a true cold war warrior, shivers down the spine stuff and Im not usually affected by things like that, wonderfull 🙂
Cheers all 😉
[QUOTE=keithnewsome;1252392]This photo was the objective of yesterday ! and I got it !!! Thank you Andy and gang. Keith
No worries Kieth, its a pleasure 😉
Hopefully the rain didn’t stem the flow of coppers into the door fund Andy!
Hi Peter,
Yes we did take a few quid, the cockpit tours did great as people used the hangar as shelter, we could have done with 5 Lightnings, Ha !
Hi all,
Just got back from Brunty and guess what, there was a lovely sky, not a rain drop in sight !
Got all my gear on the line now :rolleyes:
Love all the shots and video clips, really nice to see.
We the LPG had a great day considering the very bad weather, almost a perfect rerun of 2007’s May open day 😡
Our Q shed roof enabled us to carry on with cockpit tours and was a usefull shelter for all who wandered over to have a look at the old ladies.
We had a great weekend, the Saturday preparations were very enjoyable, fencing and tent building in near perfect weather :rolleyes:
Mind you taking the fence down and clearing up all the litter at the end of Sunday about 6.30pm was a downer.
Someone left a smashed up Gezzebo
I must admit 904 and John Spencer did us proud (well worth all the hours of fxing and bleeding knuckles) she was ‘blistering’ both burners lighting perfecty.
I wish all could have come up the top end with us in the van to collect the chute, as we came over the brow of the hill there she was, shimmering in the rain soaked air, heat rising form the the jet pipes, the sky behind her made her look even more meacing.
John winked and waved as we cleared him the taxy back and was off, he thoughly enjoyed his ‘trip’ making the comment ‘wow she really kicked me in the a*** this time’
Our start up and taxy off from the Q shed pan was different and something we might ‘explore’ abit more on our 20th anniversary/Jimmy Dell memorial day on August 3rd.
Nice to see everyone else enjoying themselves, and well done everyone else at Brunty who made the day 😉
Long may these days continue
See ya all on the 3rd August 😉
Thats the thing the weather didnt spoil it it just turned it from an excellent day in to a really good one, I have booked that date in to my diary thanks for the heads up.
As I said it truely was a great day and this was worth the soaking:D
http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/tigercatfan/Brunty250508/?action=view¤t=DSCF0278.flv
Lovely clip, thanks, I was on the opposite side by our chute recovery van, and I must say 904 was on top form, blistering, both buners lighting perfeclty (rare for lots of reasons) when we got to the top, she was stting there, at 60% power looking really menacing against the stormy sky, rain pouring off her, we collected the chute checked the tyres and waved her off, John gave his usual wink and thumbs up and had a big smile on his face.
Kinda makes all the weekends we spend ‘fixing’ worth while.
Assume you liked the Q shed, great aint it ?
Kept the weather off yesterday and enabled us to do loads of cockpit tours and get some more cash in the kitty for the doors fund.
Cheers 😉