Just a guess but try Noratlas as they often had dayglow spirals on them. The French also used Neptunes and Transalls out there.
John
Thank you for the photos Brian, superb as usual.
But sadly they go some way to confirm that our major and important museums are in the hands of people who are more concerned about silly architecture than in the proper presevation of our aviation Heritage. I know that the hanging of aeroplanes has featured here before but who exactly has been making these crass decisions and have a charter to damage historical artifacts. Many of our rarest types are now dangling from the bloody ceiling.
They become impossible to photograph, examine or research or just to sit back and say “God I remember those”.
It wasn’t too long ago that the RAF Museum destroyed a Beverley on the pretext it was too expensive to preserve, but the same museum could afford to spend a huge sum an an expensive and totally useless piece of junk (oh sorry “Art” ) which has some artistic title but has more similarity to the Order of the Irremovable Digit, to honor the PO Prunes of this world. Prune by the way is now “something big” in the art world at the renamed Battersea power station and advises on how Aviation artifacts should be displayed.
The rot started with the detestable “American” hangar at Duxford and we should have seen the writing on the wall.
I know that funding from bodies like The National Lottery have strings, then it’s about time we had some voice in how to change this.
Wasn’t it Chicago who many years ago dropped a Stuka whilst hanging it?
All I can wish to the fools at the Imperial and the RAF “Art” Galleries. On your heads be it.
John
I’ve never head that about 337s being banned, though they do make a distinctive sound.
One guess at to why they might be louder is the sound waves bounce off tailbooms and the larger stabilizer.I don’t think pushers are any less efficient, in fact the opposite has been claimed.
Too many (Cessna’s XMC testbed, Burt Rutan, Bill Lear’s Learfan, the Optica, the RFB Fantrainer, Molt Taylor’s Aerocar, the Lake family of amphibians, the Beech Starship, the Piaggio Avanti, the Republic Seebee, to name a few)
have chosen the configuration for it to have too much of a disadvantage.BTW: I knew the plane…the first time and someone beat me to it…:(
Also the SECAN SUC10 Courlis in France.
John
It’s still around. Or was a few years ago.
John
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Aeroclub/StearmanHammondY1s.jpg
Hi John, do you know which issue of Scale Models the plans appeared in please? And how I can track them down?
I have been interviewing the last few surviving members of the RNZAF aircrews who flew them operationally in Singapore and Fiji. Fascinating people and aircraft.
I will try and scan them for you.
John
The better drawings are those by Harry Woodman in Scale models.
John
I am not an archaeologist but merely someone with an interest in the subject.
It looks Roman to me as I have seen similar sites here in Nottinghamshire and elswhere.
A good source of info on this type of site are to be found in the by county volume/book series of Victoria’s History of England published in the late 1800’s which a major library should hold a relevent copy of. The Nottinghamshire volume contains simple ground plans of all the sites such as hill forts and roman settlements from various surveys done in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Apart from this the library should point you in the direction of the local Archaeological society.
Cheers
John
I am not an archaeologist but merely someone with an interest in the subject.
It looks Roman to me as I have seen similar sites here in Nottinghamshire and elswhere.
A good source of info on this type of site are to be found in the by county volume/book series of Victoria’s History of England published in the late 1800’s which a major library should hold a relevent copy of. The Nottinghamshire volume contains simple ground plans of all the sites such as hill forts and roman settlements from various surveys done in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Apart from this the library should point you in the direction of the local Archaeological society.
Cheers
John
Hello Brian
The furthest most wings appear disproportionatly larger on some shots, or is it my eyes?
Cheers
John
It is a Zepp (Lindau)C-11 2 of which I have a drawing, it is not an A5. Note the horizontal wedge rear fuselage, the fuselage stringers, the exhaust and the u/c length. The engine is a Maybach 1VA. and I even suspect it’s serial number might be 820.
It is a posed civil defence picture, and used as part of a picture library by a typical newspaper editor.
John
Zepp LZ C-11 2
The cropped image here is reproduced under reasonable use from a book illustration and is the copyright of The Swiss Air force Department of Military Air Bases.
John

Zepp LZ C-11 2
I am confident now having looked at a drawing, that the fuselage is that of a Zepp (Lindau) C-11 2, fabric covered metal structure bi-plane. 20 of which were built in Germany and one was surrendered to the French, with the other 19 being smuggled into Switzerland in 1920. These saw service until 1927 when following a crash (of No 816) related to metal fatigue they were all withdrawn.
Again I suggest the picture is of a civil defence exercise some time in the 1930’s and nothing to do with China or Japan and the remains of lettering on the rudder are CH (Swiss). What gave it away for me was the panel at the base of the fin.
John
I would suggest that it is a picture of some form of pre-war gas exercise and it possibly not China at all and it is a surplus airframe. It is certainly not shot down, note the intact prop and spinner, and the whole fuselage is reminiscent of a Zeppelin Lindau two seat fighter of which the Swiss had a number.
John
I wouldn,t bother as it looks to be a rather poor sand casting of an Airfix kit.
John
Upavon
My memories of Upavon are from the early 1960’s with the Moonrakers Gliding club when the airfield was home to Ansons,Devons and Single Pioneers. Also the Boscombe Down Beverly flying around having large objects ejected from it and being filmed by a Shackleton 3 fitted with a rear camera turret.
Another memory was meeting Lt Col Louis Strange (of falling out of a Martinsyde fame and saving himself by holding on to the Lewis gun when inverted).
He had just happened to be passing and stopped his 1930 fabric bodied Riley car on the public road and walked across the grass to the launch point (no fences then) for a chat.
John