I think Leuchars. Railway fits and despite modern growth four of the belfast truss hangars are still there with the two middle ones missing. Avro 504N, 1932-35 time
John
Can you read the serials on the original. It looks to be a coastal location with a railway in the foreground.
John
I have a feeling this thing is Russian.
John
Take a look at Google Maps. Note the curved rail line in the foreground of the picture. Note also the straight line which traverses the picture. Note also the pointed spit of land in the top right of the picture. On Google the curved line is still in use but the now dismantled straight line is now faintly visible (sometimes as roads). The pointed spit is almost due south of the camp. Zoom in on the group of buildings where Fraser road and Gordon road meet on the camp (adjacent to the woodland) and notice that there are four modified BT type hangars bisected by a large low building (Electronics Centre?) which probably sits on the foundations of the two missing BT hangars. Three Avro 504N’s indicate reasonable usage of the type and not just a station flight. Of the main users of the Avro and a station in a coastal setting, Leuchars comes to the fore.
This is my thinking. One serial off that picture would settle it.
John
Overstrand/Sidestrand, the partial serial is useful but is that a 3 on the rudder? I think it might be J9185 or 9. 85 crashed at North Coates
John
Look again at your recognition silhouettes. The Anson has a very low tailplane. The Oxford too is quite low at it’s normal ground angle. Also there is hardly enough detail to state the number of prop blades. The Hampden tailplane is also very low and the boom allows for a very low “sit” at the rear. The Hampden wings also crank outboards of the engine. There is the suggestion of twin fins and and a high set tailplane with a stronger contrast of a single u/c leg inboard of the wheel plus a deep curved rear fuselage which suggests a Hudson to me.
John
I just noticed the colouring of the lower fuselage and tail stripes, of course it’s a Sidestrand, not an Overstrand.
John
This aeroplane looks as though it was a complete write off so as a Sidestrand not rebuilt as an Overstrand it narrows the field a little. J1978 overshot the field and crashed in Jan 1936 presumably at Bicester and I notice that the tree visible has no leaves, Sooo…
John
J9180 would appear to fit. I overlooked it as the discription I have is (Catfoss) “hit tree landing, U/c collapsed”. An understatement if this is J9180 🙂 I can’t find my N serials at present but the airfield is Leuchers IMO.
John
J9180 Hit tree landing in bad weather etc,5/5/30. Catfoss
J9178, Overshot landing, 7/1/36 Location? may be Bicester.
J9179, was rebuilt as an Overstrand (so I don’t think it’s this one) braked hard to avoid a colision and turned on nose. 30/3/36.
J9185 converted to Overstrand crashed North Coates 24/1/35.
J9187 C Overstrand, blown over in gale Warmwell 4/12/39 (camo by then?)
The colours in the picture are Sidestrand (Tail stripes and green top and belly)
The only part of the wing serial visible is the starboard lower and is probably 91. What is on the rudder can’t be read on screen.
There were 4 more in the J97– bracket, of which 67 “bounced, hit hedge and ground looped” at Andover in19/12/32.
As to the 504N’s The serials quoted are odd, N236 was a Blackburn Beagle?
John
Yes, I’m quite happy with J9180. When the trees are enlarged there are some leaves visible so the time of the year may be not such a factor as first thought.
John
“I like being a defective”.
Thanks Mark and Niallpatty, that has gone a long way to answering some of my questions.
Another question, did the PR.3 have a different camera door arrangement with external panels sliding in raised grooves.
John
Thank you. I think I just about have most of the gen I need.
John
De Schelde S12.
John
I and a colleague carried out the ‘key mod’ to Fiat G.91’s at Treviso in 83. I made them from discarded cardboard tubes and stuck them into the side starter hatches. sadly no photos of the keys.
John
