I have 74 accidents/incidents listed to Masters in Nottinghamshire (so far!)
Master III DL890 spun into ground during aerobatics somewhere in the Nutall Rd./Whitemoor Ave. area, 9th June, 1944. Thats the one? Is the gap in the tree visible on Google Earth Street View?
The above is the crash I referred too. I haven’t been by there for many years but the local aviation society used to meet at The Whitemoor Pub some 25 years ago, I think that it might have been David Birch who pointed it out to me. If I remember the spot was
almost opposite the Whitemoor Pub on Nutall Rd and just short of the ring road and before the junction with Whitemoor Ave. The missing tree space was visible then but there have been changes to the area in the passing years.
John
Hi Mothminor
Thank you for the photos I could just see the tail and as the 113 had a similar shaped fin and colour scheme I just idly jumped to conclusions. Thanks for the data on the 163 which isn’t mentioned in the references I have.
Regards
John
Brian
The Flight photo shows one of about three radio installations in the Proctor. The pilot is sat in the normal position in this layout beside the radio. The radio op is sat further back out of sight on the swivel seat in debate.
This is another layout with a swivel seat whose construction is different to the pilots seating. I don’t know if the swivel seat had any variations between the Proctor 1-II-III and IV.
John
Thank you for sharing these. I found the Ca 113 in the roof and only partly visible of great interest, also the Ca 163 which has now intrigued me as I thought it was a 164 and now I need to know the difference as the 164 is the common one.
Thanks again.
John
Brian
The radio ops seat in the Proctor 1 to III is different to the pilots seats and is mounted on a swivel base. I don’t have a good photo of one. The Britmodeller photos are of a Proctor IV in a four seat comms layout. The attached drawing is from an early ATC magazine and omits the radio installation.
John
The Master is another great favorite of mine and I would love to do a drawing of this type for model purposes if I can put together enough info.
I remember the tower and hangars at Newton, as it was the first B of B airshow I attended in 1954 when I lived in a village not far from there (In fact I’m not much further away now). I later did my SNCO management training course at Newton. Newton was one of the few remaining grass airfields, There’s another Master crash site on the A610 just inside the Valley (Ring) road where a Polish chap crashed after aerobatting a Master over his girlfriends house. The site is still visible today by virtue of a tree missing from a kerbside row of trees.
John
Proctor radio ops seat?.
John
Lovely photography as usual Brian.
Thanks for posting.
John
I can claim to have seen a Vulcan roll. I was walking home from school Hollingwood just north of Manchester at the age of ten (1952 time) when I saw a large White or Silver triangular plane quite a way off, do a definite roll over in the Chadderton direction. My Dad had worked at Avro’s factory at Chadderton during the war. I seem to remember a coloured cutaway in Eagle about that time. and ten years latter I would be working on a Vulcan squadron.
John
TerryP
No hassle but did you have a personal email from me? I’ve sent a couple through the forum recently and had no reply to either and one was an answer to a friend.
Regards
John
I’m just grateful to the regulars who take the time to photograph and post their superb photos.
John
You’re going to be very much time dependent with the code change over from four letters to two and Yellow to Silver finish. 3 FTS Harvards could also carry the R replaced with O or N (Bowyer)
John
There is a photo in the Putnams Aircraft of the Royal Air Force of a 3FTS Harvard IIB FX291 code FBU * S of RAF Feltwell on page 412. It appears to be O/A Silver with (I presume) Yellow wing bands. Black anti glare panel, C type roundels and fin flash with thin white centre band.
John
Terry,
Those are exactly what I was hoping for. Again I can’t thank you enough.
Cheers
John
One dog walk later and a brilliant result on my return. Thank you so much TerryP. This will help narrow down the grey areas.
Again thank you.
Cheers
John