Agree with you there TN, the Martin Middlebrook books are a must. Superb for strategy, tactics and first hand accounts. They are The Battle of Hamburg, The Peenemunde Raid, the Nuremburg Raid, the Battle of Berlin and The Schweinfort-Regensburg Missison (USAAF of course). Also read James Cammpbell’s The Bombing of Nuremburg.
I also agree that the Harris biography by Henry Probert is superb too. regarding Dresden, read alongside Frederick Taylor’s book, Alexander McKee’s Dresden 1945 and, dare I say it, David Irving’s The Destruction of Dresden written in the early 60’s. But be aware, Irving has his own agenda.
Read the suggestions here and you’ll be an expert on the subject. And see how views change over time.
That would be Max “Last Helicopter out of Saigon, First to Yomp into Port Stanley” Hastings. It’s on the strength of this book the he tends to be wheeled out every time there is a programme about Bomber Command on TV. The book is certainly worth reading, but, despite what he says in the Foreword, that it is unlikely if any further evidence on the Bomber Offensive should come to light, it has, particularly since the end of the Cold War and more information from the Russian prospective. So the Book is very much of its time when written, 1979. He had to rewrite large parts of Chapter 8 in the second edition after much criticism about accusations he made about 76 Squadron and its personnel. Having said that, The book itself is most critical about the policy of area bombing rather than the crews themselves ; the Air Staff, Churchill and Harris. I seem to recall Harris being most put out that having invited Hastings to his home, the result was a book that was rather disparaging about him. Hastings says that Harris should have been sacked at the end of 1944 and Portal was weak not to have done it.
It’s worth reading for the details of people and their roles in the Bomber Offensive that hardly ever get a mention now, Sir Henry Tizard, Solly Zuckermann and Lord Cherwell (aka Prof. Lindemann). The last named was Churchill’s scientific adviser who’s report on “de-housing”the German population was really a report suggesting mass murder. And those who attacked the policy at the time, Richard Stokes MP, Bishop Bell and Canon John Collins, who later was a founder of CND and was remarkable assigned to Bomber Command HQ.
Now of, course it’s just Harris who gets the criticism. The only honest one amongst them.
Also worth reading is “The Bombers” by Norman Longmate, which was written about the same time and covers similar issues, and slightly different conclusions.
Also, read “The Bomber War” by Robin Neillands, written in 2001, that has more positive spin on the Offensive and the role it had in defeating the enemy.
As for Hastings being “disproved”, I guess he’d say not. You just have to make your own mind up!
The full Sunday Telegraph article is here (and the Halifax gets a rightful mention!)
The items are given a valuation by an expert and then they go to Auction, hoping to raise what was given as the valuation. But I’m not sure if people just want the money, or the “fame” of appearing. Perhaps it’s both. They do seem to say a lot “as the programme was in town we decided to bring this along”
The trouble with Flog It is that I get angry when I see people selling family member’s medals just for their 15 mins of fame on this programme. Couple of months ago was a very silly woman who sold her uncle’s DFM and other medals. He was a Spitfire pilot now buried in a cemetery outside Berlin. She had been handed the medals because, as she said, “she would look after them”. Yeah, until Flog It turned up. She also expected to see lots of these medals at Flog It. Not that she knew what a DFM was anyway, and how rare they are. The medals went for several thousand and she was going to use the money for a “Holiday”.
Another silly woman a couple of weeks ago flogged her Grandfather’s WW1 medals which included a Bible and Cigarette case which had stopped a bullet and therefore killing her Grandfather, in which case she wouldn’t be here now. She too wanted the money for a “Holiday”. Can’t understand it, once the family silver is gone, it’s gone for good.
Rant over.
Well that was a great programme. Simon Heffer clearly a big fan of the Dambusters. great to hear from the films director, Michael Anderson, explaining the reasons for why the film is so understated.
Not quite true, 9 Mosquitoes attacked Berlin, Cologne and Munster. And 54 aircraft mine laying off Biscay. although neither of these were a diversion. the film is wrong on this point.
If you are serious about a swear box, I’d suggest that you would be expected to make a donation to a charity, say Help for Heroes?????? Just a thought.
12hours and 22minutes into 2013 and we’re already talking about the bl00dy dog…. 😮
And Channel 5 haven’t even shown the film yet today! It’s going to be long year regarding dog’s name with the remake scheduled for this year.
Looking forward to this programme and being presented by one of the last journalistic outposts of non-PC reportage!:)
Indeed!
For those who may wish to see the latest on the remake of Dambusters, see here.
Also tonight BBC 4 at 9.00pm “Fifties British War Films: Days of Glory” looks back at Dambusters, Cruel Sea, Coditz Story etc etc
Been told by the Posting Police to put this here. Anyway ditto and still sad news and read the books.
Very sad. If you haven’t read it, get a copy of Ten Fighter Boys, and Jimmy’s book, Last of the Ten Fighter Boys.
You may be better off doing a bit of research on the unit to find out a bit more about this. 150th AFRES background is detailed here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/150th_Air_Refueling_Squadron
Perhaps write to the current unit in NJ. They may be interested and help with details of who signed it. Or approach the National Museum of USAF.
In the Dam Busters it’s the dog that gets the chop and the owner who looks mournful.