Dear Sir or Madam,
I’m implied in a discussion on Internet about the capabilities of one of your products : the RBE-2 AA.
The problem is that my interlocutor isn’t convinced that RBE-2 AA has the ISAR function available.
May I ask a question ? It would be very nice from you if you could put me in relation with someone at the defence department of Thales so as to inform myself on this sensible topic. In doing so, I’m sure you would strengthen the Thales communication, as fanboy are significant bearer of good news !
Yours sincerely,
TMor
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blueapple do you have the link to “F3 standards saw the addition of air-sea modes (including long-range ship tracking, at more than 100nm)”
Come on Jackjack !
Since F3, Rafale is A-to-sea capable, with the AM-39…
Jackjack, you are an hypocrite.
Go back to SP if you like, mister “I know everything”. They influence you so much with their usual lies, I read them sometimes, and you come here with the same tactics : post a silly claim backed by “I know how it works” and ask for a source to contradict you…
Unproved ?
dont you accept the Thales site on their aesa either, or is it like AC and a national secret
kovy used the term fighter and in a fighter role isar would mainly be used for target ID so i read, in its omni/strike role isar is more valuable, hence why i questioned it
You’re making a big deal of a function which could be implemented but is missing on an existing and nearly operational radar.
Is this the only way you found to avoid acknowledging that France was some years ahead of other european nations on AESA for fighters ? Should we remember you that you’re trying to compare a radar nearly ready to enter operational use to something which is… at best a prototype (did the swashplate fly yet ?)
This runs along the lines of other things including aesa, if rafale doesnt have it, its not needed, if rafale gets it, its fantastic and better than the ones on other planes
Well… For years, Rafale have been bashed because of its “small” and blind radar, because of its weak engines, because this, because that, especially compared to Typhoon.
Now both types have been pitted against each other in something else than pure simulation, there is one lesson one should remember :
A fighter is not an assembly of the most powerful sub-equipments. It’s a coherent whole, and all subtleties may simple escape our understanding.
Contrary to what a lot of people thought, Rafale may work pretty much above their expectations, because the formula “big engine + big radar + big missile” is erroneous.
It’s not a matter of “if rafale doesnt have it, its not needed, if rafale gets it, its fantastic and better than the ones on other planes”. We can reproach you to say “if Rafale doesn’t have it, then, it’s bad”…
What’s your problem, Jackjack ?
The claim that we’re ahead in Europe for fighter AESA ?
The unproved fact that RBE-2 AESA may miss a function not necessarily required by Rafale for his maritime function ? Same for EW ? And thus the fact that Rafale fails (???) at its omnirole capability ?
The fact that France can do an AESA nearly on its own ?
What’s the problem ?
Jackjack, please. As far as I understand, you pretend to have english as your native language. It would save me a lot of efforts if you could write it correctly, and use ponctuation and capitals as well.
We seen people being banned for utterly absurd reasons, officially because they couldn’t write correctly, here. What about you ?
Thanks.
kovy
ok plugging wires together is thales, making it is swiss
Tell us why !
tmor
my point is that the carry on from arthuro is unfounded
I’m under the impression that your arguments do not help your intention.
i’m still waiting for you to acknowledge that the swiss are doing the integration of the antenna to the backend
We have some prototypes here already working. At least 4. This was before we offered to the Swiss to work on the part which link the antenna to the backend for the production radars.
“Integration” job is already done, and for production, unless we give it to the Swiss too (wonder why), it will be done by the same guys…
So, what’s your point, please ?
Yes, please, go on… It’s so good… 😀
if the arguments for the Rafale are so overwhelming why all the delays in proclaming the winner of this competition? I think the most likely answer is that the arguments for Rafale are not that overwhelming after all… and Jobim needed all this extra time to “develop” the arguments to defend the choice…
Since we don’t know the details, and since it’s only a matter of amateurs’ argumentation…
You could acknowledge that if Gripen was technically and ToT’ly’ on par with Rafale, for half the price, the gov would have changed his mind. Lula/Jobim aren’t mad, and buying costly military hardware for stupid reasons isn’t exactly what would happen in such a gov.
Obviously, if those discussions only “delay” the decision, then, Rafale, twice (or more) as costly as the Gripen, actually HAS good arguments.
as i said, they are putting an aesa antenna on the 90’s rbe2 backend and the swiss are doing most of the integration work
LoL
isnt it Thales that looks bad? and still not in production?
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4697061&c=EUR&s=AIR
Thales To Deliver AESA Radars Soon
By PIERRE TRAN
Published: 6 Jul 2010 16:42PARIS – Thales will begin deliveries in August of the first production batch of active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars for the fourth tranche of Rafale strike fighters, Pierre-Yves Chaltiel, head of electronic combat systems, said July 6.
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It perfectly fits what Rezende reported…
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1601140&postcount=818
So, Rafale is a bomber ? 😀
One of the things I find odd is that Gripen is highlighted as “high risk” — that argument was actually stronger one year ago, when there were still many test flights left to perform and a lot of integration work that remained.
Typhoon and Rafale have both been rejected for those reasons in Korea and Singapore.
Pitted against a “combat proven” fighter ;
Shortlisted too.
etc…
Whereas it’s odd or not, we are not in position to assess which side deserves more or less, whatever our arguments.
Also, no decision is taken so far, but I understand your frustration.:D
I don’t think anyone ever seriously believed that the Rafale would be a slouch in dogfight scenarios, I think it’s mainly is BVR capabilities which were/are often underestimated.
You know about the flame wars we’ve seen here…
I guess someone finally found peace with all those news.:D