Which Brazilian partner did Thales team up with for tech transfer and development?
I think we only know very very little on the French offer. Maybe French don’t feel the need to feed their competitors… ?
He still can ask questions. 🙂
:rolleyes:
it took a lot of hectic political intervention and pleading to get Dassault back into the race.
It took a lot of hectic political intervention and pleading to HEAR about the truth behind the scene : Rafale had not been actually rejected.
With the new radar coming…
Rafale was marketed with a possible 27tons MTOW.
I thought the price would be lower than that?
Oh no ! It’s going to be much higher ! Trust me !
That’s legitimate to say the least…
Tornado IDS 😀 Don’t ask me why.
JackJack
I’m not trying to make you believe it’s a matter of active cancellation.
I think we have to refer to the initial Chaltiel’s claim :
But there is more to Spectra than conventional jamming. Pierre-Yves Chaltiel, a Thales engineer on the Spectra program, remarked in a 1997 interview that Spectra uses “stealthy jamming modes that not only have a saturating effect, but make the aircraft invisible… There are some very specific techniques to obtain the signature of a real LO [low-observable] aircraft.” When asked if he was talking about active cancellation, Chaltiel declined to answer.
We don’t know what he was talking about. He just said that there are technics to reduce the RCS to the one of a LO with Spectra.
Today, A&C says that the future demonstrator may use “active stealth”. It’s obvious that there is a link between those two articles.
in this thread and others its assumed its active cancellation and not DRFM or the like
ok, there is a topic on airdefense about that, do you have the link to the official doc or does dassalut etc have an info release about it ?
i would like to have a read about it
There is a guy on SP who gave the link numerous times. But nobody trusts him there… Funny, especially since now, this stealth demonstrator with “active stealth” measures are becoming reality.
Projet de loi de finance 2007 :
http://www.minefi.gouv.fr/performance/performance/politique/2007/10-defense.pdf
page 57
– la conception des systèmes aériens de combat futurs : des travaux seront entrepris sur un démonstrateur de discrétion pour le RAFALE, un démonstrateur d’hélicoptère du futur, un démonstrateur de conduite de tir air-sol et un démonstrateur de brouilleur offensif aéroporté ;
Projet de loi de finance 2008 :
http://www.performance-publique.gouv.fr/farandole/2008/pap/pdf/PAP2008_BG_Defense.pdf
page 59
– les études de précision des frappes, d’adéquation des charges militaires aux effets recherchés, de conception des plates-formes futures et d’adaptation des systèmes existants : des travaux seront entrepris ou poursuivis sur plusieurs démonstrateurs – de missile sol-air à lancement vertical, de système intégré multifonctions électromagnétique, de missile de croisière, de missile de combat terrestre, de situation tactique inter opérable navale, de conduite de tir air-sol, de brouilleur offensif aéroporté, de discrétion pour le RAFALE et d’hélicoptère du futur.
This stealth demonstrator is planned at least since 2007 in an older official document. A&C just show that it’s not been dropped.
I think that the people who are deciding to invest millions in that field are aware of what they are doing. I don’t think that a simple poster could decently challenge anything with a simple sentence when you know all the years and money poured in that field.
You’re just forgetting that our engineers are idiots. They draw saw tooth every where just for fun, make cartoonistic symbologies on the screens, design counter-intuitive cockpit layouts, pretend that a fine bomber is also a top-notch air-to-air fighter, etc…
So, never try, in addition, to imply that Spectra is “magic”.
Everything…:cool:
well help an old man out 😀 repost the rafale and f-22 vids so we can talk and see again how the rafale will wipe the floor with it
What’s the interest ?
Who will sustain such a claim NOW ?
According to Lt. Col. Grandclaudon, Rafale and F-22 are equivalent in dogfight.
JackJack, please, we’re not on SP. If “Rafale fanboys” speak to you in your nightmares every night, it’s not on AFM that you’ll recover.