K*Whatever just comes to throw insults. :rolleyes:

Rafale pilots with their inclined seat can very well talk to the DVI under 9g. So, no problem with this.
HOTAS allow the pilot to have more than 30 functions under each finger, and it would be clever to put the most important in 9g combat here.

Now, I prefer discussing with Scorpion, who is known to be among the most friendly guys genuinely interested in both Rafale and Typhoon.

In the Typhoon it is even possible to speak MIDS commands which are forwarded as text messages to other members of the formation. This also reduces emissions as short data transmissions are much more difficult to detect than longer radio calls.

Well, that’s interesting !
AdA pilots will do without it, at least until 2012 (post-F3). Nonetheless, I may be repeating, they are happy with the current HMI… 😀
In addition, the most demanding missions will always be handled by twin-seats, and it’s not a mere matter of HMI efficiency (as some believe), it’s because two men are always better to use the full potential of a “omni-role” and very sophisticated aircraft (in wich the pilot is definitly the limiting factor). And this decision was made a long time ago, well before the HMI were tested.
Now, France will wait until 2012 for the DVI.

I knew the other changes concerning the F3 standard (RBE2 modes, Spectra modes, DVI, HMS and so on),

Actually, the DVI has been dropped, as a money-saving measure, for the F3 standard.
It was first dropped because it wasn’t compatible with a thorax compression gear, but with a lack of money, it was definitely abandoned for the F3.
BUT, the system works well, and the test pilots are happy with it, also it is still proposed for export (“Roadmap”).

What engines will the Rafale F3 be powered with?

Is M88-3 dead?

The Rafale F3 will keep its M88-2 E4.

The M88-3 is dead, but studies are going on with the M88 ECO, in two variant :
-one with long life componants,
-one with the thrust increase planned for the M88-3 (60/90kN).
The objectives being the increase of thrust, but with lower maintainance costs… 😉 Should be ready for 2012.

Scorpion :
The GBU capability isn’t even planned for the F3… It’s for the “Roadmap” (the fourth standard, for export).
But in the news, it is said that the AdA would like to have this capability so as to go to Afghanistan with GBUs…

but most stores including AS-30L, Paveway II/III, ASMP-A, AM-39, Damocles and RECO-NG will not be available before F3.

Forget the AS-30L.
And a quick integration of the Paveway II is under negociation (AdA pushing for Afghanistan in 2007).
The Rafale has already shot the GBU-12.

Technically yes, but no firm orders yet 😉

That’s the contrary.
It IS ordered (but not delivered), and technically, still to be finished.

PLA-MKII :
LOL 😀

The biggest bit about the Rafale is its French egotism.

YES ! ! ! 😮

Its a plane that should never have been made, better to have stuck with the EF-2000. […]
The Rafale however, badly needs an upgrade to the F3 standard if it wants to pretend to be toe-on-toe with the EF.

:confused: 😮
It would have been much better for the Typhoon if France had stuck to it.
But, do you realize what is a Rafale F3 ? However the cost, it’s more than highly interesting for France to develop the Rafale, as it has a good price, and excellent capabilities. Nothing to regret, I doubt that a French Typhoon would have been better. 😎

or find a tin pot dictator somewhere to bribe and get a contract to “save face”.

Yes, of course. Now the Brits are involved in a bribery case, then the world remember that every weapon selling country use bribes.

They’d actually be a lot more successful if they use all the technology they have on the Rafale to build a smaller single engined plane. That they might be able to sell. They can even call it Baby Rafale and declare the Rafale a success 🙂

😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
:dev2:
Go back to the early hours of developpement. Wich of the following countries -GB, Germany, France, Italy- proposed to another to developpe an single engined version of what would have been the “Euro(with France)fighter” ?
France did it to seduce Germany before the German prefered working with the British to go on with the existing Panavia structure.
The goal was to developpe two fighters, an twin engined, and an exportable single engined, both being very similar.

KKM57P: as you can see if you take the time to read both articles it debunks most of your statments.

Well, actually, I think there is no need for any debunking.

The quotes by KKM57P are extremely interesting. After all, YES, Rafale has had its troubles.
BUT :
-they are now quite out dated
-they are often used by people to bash the Rafale as if these news were still true today,
-these people are just like vultures, grasping these old news, and trying to do their trolling with it.

Dassault have called the RBE2 radar ‘fatally flawed’ alleging that its range was “inadequate” and averring that the Rafale therefore relied on AWACS support to overcome this.

This just remember me the “red nose” story. The RBE-2 is equal to the RDY in range, so, no real problem. It seems that its range was improved with the F2, so, I guess that the F1’s RBE-2 is a bit shorter. Whatever, the pilots look extremely happy with this range, and it is fully compatible with Mica’s range.

The DGA also described Rafale’s OSF (“Optronique Secteur Frontal”) as “obsolescent”

Glitter didn’t bother you with what happened at the Tiger Meet, where the OSF has proven itself very useful, to select, identifify, and shoot targets at long range (the AASM having much longer range that a mere JDAM). The OSF is also of a special interest in BVR combat, where a totally silent Rafale using OSF and Spectra can feed the others Rafale (datalink) with some data about targets… All of this in the current OSF, wich is to be replaced by an even newer (OSF-IP = ImProved, for 2012).

According to Defence Analysis and Flight Daily News, the Singapore evaluation also reportedly revealed problems with Rafale’s reliability and availability

I guess someone here is wondering wether he should answer or not about this point. 🙂 And he is not French.
Whatever happened there, in the Marine, and in the AdA, reliability and availability prove every day to be at least OK (100% in Tiger Meet, for example). There is a fair improvement over the Mirage 2000 here, and it’s already an excellent achievement.