Stop it now !
😡 AAaaaaaaaaaaaargh !
Please, stop talking about Jackonicko -JN-, at least until he will be back to defend himself ! First, it’s too easy to bash him while he can’t answer, then, actually, bashing is stupid !
Then, it would be far funnier not to see people charging other for being “nationalistic” when it’s not the case.
NungesserC, you can’t keep on practising your “troll hunt”, but it is pointless : this doesn’t make you bring any information here, and worst, as Scorpion82 has proved it, you’re unable to accept any arguments.
(will you, one day, answer my PMs ?)
@Scorpion82
Some facts for you!
1.) The 9,75 t figure is from 1985 not from 1992.
2.) The performance figures are not that of the early 90s as at that time there were no performance data available except the specification Mach 2 and 9 G loads
3.) The performance figures appeared in the late 90s and early 2000s until today.
4.) I doubt you know the exact weight of the test aircraft which proved this performance.
5.) I doubt you know for which exact configuration the 11 t figure stands for.
6.) As said 1000 times before the Typhoon is not 2 t over weight. ~11 t – 9,75 isn’t 2.
7.) Rafale was planned as 8,5 t fighter at the beginning now Dassault claims the weight with 10 t class… think about it.
1) Ok,
2)Ok. I have never seen any performance data before 1999, except the top speed, and the target acceleration/climb rate (see manual of DiD’s EF2000 for example 🙂 ). Current reports tend to tell us that the target were reached. That’s all (I’ll publish it later)
3)Ok,
4) Ok,
5) Unclear. Published for a series Typhoon, but no idea about the T1 configuration.
6) 2 t over weight is an over estimation wich help Nungesser making his point,
7) Yep !!!!
The Rafale C, before it’s first flight, was weighted 8,5t -as planned-. Then, with equipments, it reached 9,060t, weight also given for series Rafale C.
Nowadays, if you look into french publication (wich aren’t necessarely biaised), there are 2 figures published : 9,5t for Rafale C(here sometimes 9,09t), as B, and 10t class for the Rafale M.
As you’ve made me notice that Jane’s reports a weight of 9,8t+ for the Rafale C (and then even heavier for B and M), I’ve searched several time in recent publication.
Finally, here is what I’ve found : All the prototypes were much heavier than series aircraft, as they were to bring lots of equipments (as Jackonicko reported that Typhoon prototypes were also heavier than production aircraft, it makes sens). But, for production aircraft, the same weight is always given for the two Air variants (C, B), and the figure 10t class quoted for the Naval variant.
What I conclude is that the Jane’s’ figures are for the prototypes, and then, the Rafale C’s weight is between 9,1 and 9,5t, the Rafale B is about 9,5t (as originaly published) and the Rafale M (the heaviest), is still around 10t.
But you’re welcome to argue otherwise. 😉
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