All good news for me cdp,links were very interesting for me . my old man flew 38 trips from Burn Feb to Aug. 1944 with 578 sqdrn.& I often wondered what it was like .Many thanks from down under.
I have seen the same story as you Arthur,well at least I read it somewhere on several occasions “No VIFFing during Falklands conflict, some reasons were given but I have forgotten them
I have had the specs. on this ship for years, but often wondered what it would have looked like.Now I know.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Interesting pic. No ski-jump, it would have been a job and half to get off such a small ship with much of a load onboard a Harrier.
german carriers
The name “Peter Strasser” was allocated to the second German carrier which was authorised in 1939 but as mentioned previously little work was ever done on it. Three conversions from commercial ship to carrier were planned for 1942, three liners Europa, Potsdam, Gneisenau[not to be confused with the battle cruiser] Also the heavy cruiser Seydlitz, nothing much came of any of these proposals.
Aside from the Aquila which started life as the cruise ship Roma the Italians made a start in 1942 to also convert the liner Augustas which to be renamed Sparviero,but not long after work started the Germans seized her & used her as a block ship.
san class carrier
Ya. Mate I mentioned that I had seen pics of the dd963 on this thread, anyhow i doubt if there is much that has not been on before.[Wake up Australia] I am not sure where Argo wanted to go with this thread but the idea of a Croation small carrier tooling up & down the Aegean is fairly exotic.All that nonsense aside the pic of the San …… is cool and quite flattering compared some i have seen since the port deck extension & sponson rearrangement.
I have a question for you ,I have never seen anything about a 2 helo hanger, where is it? The elevator near the island is 13.5m by 3.5m which I think would not accomadate any italian helos maybe it does!
The vehicle deck is listed as 100m by 20.5m however is it high enough to take a helo or maybe part of it is.
air capable spruance
I am new to forums so I hope the pic of the dd963ac air capable spruance has uploaded.I saw a thru deck version of this concept on this thread but I think it is a nice model & wishfull thinking. This ship was supposed to use the Spruance hull & machinery & the model has found some new revolutionary way of operating Gas Turbines without Inlet or Outlet funnels
small carrier specs.
Most of this info has probably been on other threads but here goes.
In 1977 the Australian govt. issued a requirement to replace the HMAS Melbourne ,a modified Majestic class light aircraft carrier that had been in service since the mid 50s.Some of the replies were for existing designs but most were concepts that were never built
Invincible l206m b27.5m d6.38 disp19500t sp28k load14helos&harriers.
Spanish SCS l195m b29m d6.63 disp.14814t sp24k load16helos&harriers.
Garibaldi l180m b23.5m d8.28 disp13238t sp29.5 load16helos&harriers.
LHA[Tarawa] l249.9m b8.4m d7.9m disp39900t sp25k load30heolos&harriers
PH75 l209m b28.3m d? disp18100t sp28.4k load 20helos&harriers
MACSHIP l181m b32.5m d6.0m disp12500t sp28k load 14 helos&harriers
Harrier Carrier l135.65m b21.2m d6.5m disp.7200t sp25k 10helos&harriers
Gibbs&CoxSCS Same as Spanish SCS
Mod.LHA[Tarawa] l249.9m b32.2m d9.9m disp53800t sp24k lload50helos&harriers
DD963AC[Spruance Hull] l172m b24.4m d7.44m disp12500t sp29k load8helos&harriers
McMullen 193.85m b26.82m d7.63m disp20801t sp? load22helos&harriers
Rosenblatt SCS[Avariation on the Spanish SCS ] l178m b24.4m d6.7m disp14000t sp? load 16helos&harriers
Protean [3designs] l198.2to245m b27to32m d6.8to7.5m disp20000to32000t sp25to27.5k load14,16,or20 helos&harriers
LPH[Mod.Iwo Jima] l198m b28.7m d8.7m disp21407t sp24k load22+helos&harriers.
Some of these figures are a bit loose as the breadth of some are wl. &some are oa.,also some of the loads are a bit off but overall they are reasonably OK.
Three were shortlisted .Spanish SCS ,Garibaldi, mod.Iwo JimaLHA.The Navy liked the Spanish SCS but there was some doubts over who owned the design However the UK decided to sell the Invincible & the total cost including mods.spares, training etc was to be $AUD478 million .The three designs shortlisted were costed at $AUD 700million+The Australian Govt. took up the UK offer ,but shortly after that, the Falklands War started & the UK kept the Invincible,not long after there was a change of Govt in Australia & the whole idea was scrapped.There is quite a lot more to this but it has nothing to do with this thread.
Specs. for Austal MRC
Here are the basic specs. for the Austal MRC as per their brochure.
Length oa 72m
Sprint speed 35knots
Range 3000nm [This would be at a much reduced speed]
Deadweight 250 tons
Mission deck 499m2
Flight deck H60
This ship in my opinion could not take much more topweight in any form & I would think it would not carry much payload over 3000nm if the specs. for the Incat Catamaran are any thing to go by.Anyhow where would an Australian Corvette be carrying a small cargo of trucks or jeeps. But I still like the Austal & Incat inovative attempts to produce different approaches to naval vessels
cheap air force
There does not seem to be a definite time period for this exercise so I think I can get a cheap Air Force quickly.
Bombers
24 Handley Page 0/400
Fighters
72 Sopwith Camel
AEW
12 Zepplin Blimps
Recon.
18 Linke Hoffman R1. These are a new stealth concept biplane covered with transparent cellon to make it virtually invisable to the naked eye until close up.
Training
Who needs training to fly this junk ,you only need to be insane
R&D
I have heard about this American dude who has flown a plane off a ship, might be worth trying this concept
In the meantime I am siphoning off money into Swiss Banks & waiting for one of the major powers to liberate us in the name of “freedom”
harrier carrier specs.
First time on any forum.Here are the specs. for the Vosper Thornycroft Harrier Carrier concept. These were posted on another Forum several yrs. ago & also match the specs. printed in the book Wings Across the Ocean a history of Aust. Naval Aviation.I don’t have a pic.
Full load disp. 7200t
Length overall 135m
Length at waterline 122m
Flight deck beam 28m
waterline beam 21.2m
Draft 6.5m
Ships fuel 740t
Aircraft fuel 570t
Range @ 16kts. 4500nm
Max speed 25kts.
Max power 32000 shp Gas Turbines
Fresh water 70t
Provisions for 60 days
Naval Aviation Stores for 45 days
Max complement 385
The ship was to be fitted with 3 twin 40mm Breda guns.It was to be powered by 9 gas turbine generators driving 2 electric motors.Four of the turbines were to be locatedaft right below the flight deck and five below the starboard island superstructure.Capacity was to be 8 Harriers & 2 Helos. The article noted that the ship would be ideal for disaster releif as up to 20mw of power could be generated and transferred ashore.
The book I mentioned also lists the carriers & carrier concepts submitted to the Aust. Govt. as a replacement for the HMAS Melbourne in1977.Icould list these ships & specs. if you like