While I am big fan of P-1, (i wish RAAF would consider it as replacement of Orion’s, but its 95% likely they will go with P-8 too ) i dont think going with two different platforms for same role is a way to, especially as you pointed, they are very similar in capability.

Steven Gerrard headbutted it??? :p

How does a cargo helicopter suddenly catch fire?

Same way your car can catch fire.. fuel leak, either tank or fuel lines or engine.

Things looking more positively for super bug in MRCA… i think if will be fly-off between Bug and MiG.. anyway ill stop derailing topic off track.

Do we know if any components will be made in india under licence???

Most important thing to do in the universe obviously !! 😀 😀

Except abducting toothless rednecks you mean… “I tell ya Jeerrryy they were them green whacha call’em Aylieensss and they took mwee up in tha space and did things to me pooper ” :rolleyes:

All the more reason to at least keep the F-22 line “warm” until we see what shakes out with the PAK-FA and J-XX.

But you are already stated with no uncertain terms, that there is no way in hell that PAK-FA or JXX could possibly in any way be anywhere near close to capability of F22. So therefore there is no reason what so ever to keep F22 production lines open. 😉

Hehe me and my friends where playing the same game (spot the ugly one) in Belgrade on Knjaz Mihailo Caffe…. ended up 0-0-0 draw.

I love when people use statistic to draw misleading conclusion… “you are 5x more likely to be killed by a lighting than shark”… maybe if you are Mongolian Steppe Horsemen who never gets near the ocean.. if you are in the water like me almost every day, and in the Australian waters at that… the odds change rapidly. In Britain mere sighting of White Pointers, mile of coast in enough to send people into panic… here and in S.Africe i can show you damned things any time you wish.. i know spots with 100% guarantee population.

Now i never go out and kill them, unlike Steve, i would not eat one either.. sharks have largest % of mercury and lead in their meat then any other fish on earth.. eating them is like licking lead while keeping your feet in bucket of mercury.

That said i have killed some while spear fishing.. when they get with in spear gun range im sorry but its too close for my comfort. It its a smaller one basically anything less than 1.5-2.0m ill try jab it with tip off the gun to make it go away… if its behaving aggressively (fins down , arched midsection ) or its more than 2.0m .. im sorry but its getting speared trough its head if its gets anywhere near me. Largest one i ever killed was a Whaler near Pt.Bottany.. must have been 3.5m… i saw it and decided to surface and get out of the water, but it went under and started slowly coming up below me.. did not look threatening more inquisitive .. but sharks investigate with their teeth, so i put a spear through its big head and went up.. cost me $200 for lost spear :mad::mad::mad:

PS: Only once ive seen White shark when in the water, in the distance minding its own business… still i think i might have surfaced faster than a submarine on a full blow. 😀