Or could final price depend on outcome of certain competition currently under way in India …

-But if you knew the answer, then why did you ask the question?

-Sorry there is no such thing as “invisible” (in regards to radar detection of aircraft), just reduced visibility.

-So if stealth is so useless, then how come the Soviets and others are trying to develop their own?

-Your arguments seem to be hypocritical. You seem to contradict yourself depending on agenda/nationality. 😉 You seem to be arguing in circles.

– it was a rhetorical question

– just as what i said

– never said it was useless.. it is in fact big advantage…. what i simply stated is that its not way of becoming invincible…

-Aammm.. no… you will notice that there are no post here of me ever bashing western tech or worshiping Russian …. or getting involved into “my dad can beat your dad” types off pissfests ….. however i do find it difficult to stand aside when somebody has their head firmly lodged up between their butcheeks.. i feel as good samaritan obliged to come and help them get unstuck.

In this particular case i never said that SU35 is better than JSF, or the other way arround.. see i have no idea how would outcome of that fight pan out.. just like every other smartypants here with 2bit opinion .. has no idea. My comment was simply a wiseguy reply to a suggestion of stealth aircraft “Ambushing” 4.5+ gen fighter in in AMRAAM range … 50+ Km.. without support of secondary detection source either airborne or ground. LPI or not if you have to emit to detect you are not ambushing squat. Now can stealth ac get lock on first and at greater distance, hence coming on top.. probably…but other guy will know he is there.. somewhere.. approximately 😉

Thanks but im up to date with reading material… i am actually just by accident engineer in the said field.. as well as having actually served in Signals/EW unit.. during the conflict.

What you people from Planet Zandor forget on regular basis is that

“Low Probability” =/= “Zero Probability” … just like “Stealth” =/= Total Invisibility to radars… key word here is “reduced”

Plus for every smart person out there trying to make detection/origin location of EM wave difficult.. there is another person doing quite opposite…. and having easier task at that. You would be somewhat shocked for example how creative use of Mobile phone network receivers turns LPI into very PI 😉

This is getting faintly desperate boys and girls.

DJ – you know full well that there is a significant difference between GBI type weapons in Poland and IRBM’s in Venezuela or Cuba. The accurate analogy, in every way, would be if Cuba were to grant permission for Russia to base Gorgon type missiles on its soil. In US vs Russia terms Cuban Gorgons would be just every bit as useful as GBI’s in Poland.

Russia stationing nuclear capable bombers in Venezuela is every Bush-loving neocons dream. It gives a ‘terrible scary threat’ that can be played up for the crowd but, in reality, would be an exposed white elephant of a capability easily, in strategic terms, isolated and reduced. The Russians, whatever you might think of them, aren’t that stupid.

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Actually i agree 100% … placing nuclear bombers in Venezuela or Cuba, would be no more of a threat to USA then GBIs in Poland are to Russia. But then again GBIs in Poland are not there to actually protect Poland or Europe, I mean Cmon… from geographic point of view placing GBIs in turkey/greece and israel would make more sense and it would not agitate Russians as much.. only the whole point of of them in Poland is actually to agitate Russia.. just as bombers in cuba/venezuela would agitate bush neocons.

That was precisely comparison I was trying to make… we may not be in the cold war but there is some intentional toe stepping between Russia and NATO, likes of which we have not seen in a long while… i can only hope with new whitehouse, steps will be taken to ease tensions..

I like J10, i think China has made great leaps towards full military industrial independence, which is still bit down the track.. but getting there.

.. however posts like these (and some replies) just prove some people here have maturity and mental reasoning of a 7 year old child with downs syndrome.

Chelsea Football Club

40% of Croatian/Montenegro Coastline and Hotels

50% of Lass Vegas Casinos

Almost entire Cuban Cigar industry

And some Half a Trillion worth of loans to western economies/govenments strapped for cash… like USA

If Americans can not repay those loans maybe Chinese and Russians will reposes few dozens F22s… or a Carrier Group… or Hawaii :D:D:D:D

Loosing any customers could put nail in the coffen for A400.. not the least RAF order.. most likely they will end up leasing some aircraft and see what happens in the next year or two.

Maybe Putin can loan few Antonovs :D:D:D

I consider my self to be exceptionally lucky person.. some1 is watching over me for sure

I was born prematurely and doctors gave me 20% chance to live.. i beat that

When i was 18 months i had neumonia and had to be resasitated twice after well, stopping breathing

at 5 i was only one that came out of car crash alive.. probably because i was in the rear. When fiat 500 meets bus head on …. its not pretty.

1992. at 11, i was unlucky to be separated from my family when war broke out, i was with my neighbours (bloody school) while my parents and brother were at grandparanets place 80k away. City i as born in all of a sudden was “enemy terriotry”. Anyways on number off occasions i had either knife or a firearm held against me by a drunken or crazy person. If it was not for bravery of the neighbors who were taking care of me (and were muslims btw) id be dead now.

1992. The same people that saved me, organised with my parents trough a brave red cross worker (croatian this time ) that i be sent to “our side”. The guy from red cross drove me to a point where he knew Muslim soldiers, (his villagers) and they let me trough the line and i crosses safely to “our” side… to be later told right trough a MINE FIELD .. 😮

1994. Mortar shell hit near us, killed two people i ended up with a chunk a metal in me , and a dent in my chin.. i sometimes set of metal detectors which is why i hate airports.. “Im telling you Officer, i have piece of a metal in my shoulder as a result of an .. am.. accident” , “Sir please take off your shoes and belt… ok.. now pants” :rolleyes::D:D

1999.. I was in signal core in VJ (what a time to do service)… orders: Keep repairing same bloody relay night after night , so that some hot shot can drop bombs on it .. again. He almost got me few times… I dont know why i allways imegined it being some Belgian flemish guy in F16 eating waffles as he was aiming at us.

2004. Pacific Hwy NSW AU, Another car crash, again both people in front serous injuries (both pulled trough thank god) .. i came with out with two scratches.

And here is the kicker… the closest i actualy came to meeting maker… 2006 Champions league final, Liverpool v AC Milan (go the reds) … i get up at 4.00am to watch game.. half time 3-0 for AC.. im pissed… and bit peckish.. so i make me my patented mega sandwich with everything. In process of consuming said sandwich.. a bear size bite results with large piece of beef lodging in my throat.. i start suffocating. I try to yell for help but no sound can come.. anyway its 4.00am everybody is sound asleep.. i stagger towards bedroom door to wake up my GF, but on the way i blank out …. i come to some time later .. flat on the ground with piece of unchewed meet next to me.. i must have dislodged it as i hit the ground… i look at TV and see .. Liverpool scored 3 goals… and went on to win the bloody thing.. and i took a day off and got stinky drunk celebrating whole day long. 😉