DJ.Saddam did use Chemical Weapons on the Kurds (his own people) and Iran. Further, he invaded two other countries in his quest for power and murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. Even then if he had not concealed that he didn’t have WMD. He would likely still be in power……….let’s not forget that the vast majority of the world believed he did have WMD not just the US. While, the US hasn’t made all of the right choices in Iraq. The war is dramatically improving regardless.:D That said, if the rest of the world has a solution and they think they could fix it. I am sure the US, UK, Austrailia, Georgia, Poland, etc. etc. would be happy to let them try! One last note most of the killings in Iraq are not because the US or its Allies are just killing inocent civilians for fun. Most is because of a small number of radicals extremists that want to impose there beliefs on the majority…….
You can compare Georgia to Iraq all you want……………I have no doubt you will find few followers…….
Now you sound like the Russians!
I dont think Georgia Iraq comparison is valid… Saddam Had it coming since decision to invade Kuwait… after that it was only matter of time before US came and got rid of him..
Nor can you compare Afganistan.. one legitimate war in my ayes US has started. Taliban were given deadline to hand over mr Binladen… they refused.. war was only other option
However, Kosovo and Georgia… now there is a valid comparison.. almost exact situation except for reasons they are yet to explain.. in one case its fine to trample “territorial integrity of soverign nation” ..in the other case its not.. Care to explain why Ms Rice???
PS: Using WW2 comparison for anything other than WW2 stinks of most spitefull bias possible. Nothing save Cambodgia comes even close.
DJ.Not my question… i am asking about how do you go about convincing armed Abkhazians and Ossetians that “according to UN they are Georgians” when they have been up in arms since break up of SSSR.. What do you do when they wont lay down the arms and accept Georgian rule???
As you pint out, the major difference with Basque and these two, is that they have standing armies and control their teritories .. while ETA has to revert to more (i hate to use the word) terrorist type actions.
So my question again… how do you go about dealing with this armed to the teeth separatist… with out looking like Milosevic???
PS: Because of VETO powers Kosovo is still part of Serbia according to UN.. yet US and most EU countries have seen it fit to recognise them???
PSS: I see no difference between Basque , Kosovo, Kurdistan, Bosnian Serbs and Abhkazia/Osetia .. either all minorities who do not get allong with central government, have right to separate or none have… who has given NATO a magical pen so that they can draw borders how they and only they see fit???
DJ.Have we ever discussed which fighter could have turned out to be the best fighter of the 70s.
Can we have a discussion on which one would have been the best ?
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Of 70s and the all time… period. :diablo::diablo:
DJ.I would still like to hear from you two .. how do you solve the problem of two seperatist states in arms… when you bring Georgia into NATO??
DJ.Well written and objective article mate… too bad such things dont grace pages of mass printed papers 🙁
DJ.Or they could accept that Ossetia and Abhkazia are lost, move the border posts, and have not to worry about Russia at all.. you know same advice West is giving to Serbia in regards to Kosovo.
Ossetians and Abkhazis will NEVER accept Sakashvili rule over them after last shindig he tries… so what do we do… say Russia widraws totally even from the two provinces… Ossetia and Abhkazia are still up in arms refusing to play ball.. what does NATO do?? Negotiate to bring them back into georgia.. offer incentives, money, aid… i think hatred is too deep for that to work.. Well then the only other option is to allow Georgia to go in with military again… and wont that look awsome for a New NATO member.. a bloody conflict with thousands dead.
I sometimes wonder are there people in west with long term thinking capacity of goldfish.. who plan these policies.. Give independece to Kosovo… how can you not see how that sets dangerous precident for places like Georgia, Basque, Kurdistan and every other minority with issue…
Invite these small “quazi democracies ” into NATO, when they have teritorial issues .. and risk embaresment and headache when your member starts rolling tanks over its own “supposed” populace… or when he provokes a Nuclear power into confilict.. do you start WW3 or risk incredible embaresment by watching member of aliance get spanked…
.. am i the only one who sees these idiocies or am i somehow the crazy one who cant see the big picture. ???
DJ.Utilizing very well trained/equipped/experienced VDV and Spetnaz to “rout” Georgians in 3 days… sounds like smart thing to do to me.
I mean just look at the reporting in western media now.. all i ever see and hear watching CNN/BBC etc is them painting the picture of “mighty and supperior” Russian forces with masses of Armour totally trashing Georgians… and then they pan to a t62 or t72… and i scream little at TV.. 😡
Rice is already parrot like repeating “disproportionate force bla bla”… Yet that is exactly what Russia IMO tried to avoid, and why we did not see hundreds of brand spank new MBTs and BMPs rolling over Georgia. Russians have thought that using skilled infantry, limited air and armour they would not send message of massive soviet like invasion that would scare westerners… and to anybody with any basic knowledge in military matter it would be quite clear that russians have not used “disproptionate” force.. in fact we are all here debating where was the all new kit they have.
What we forget and Russia did as well.. is that average Joe Schmo cant tell difference betweeen t34 and T90.. to them its a tank.. add to that power of edditing.. and we get footages of masive Russian Airstrikes , when infact handfull of Su25s were used, masive Russian armour columns.. when in fact most of those are old junkers and half are Ossetian to begin with. So to average Jo Schmo , the images they are seeing are as bad as hundreds T90s rolling into Small country suppored by hundreds of Modern fighers and Bombers.
In conclusion .. Russian were smart in their use of force, West was as smart at spinning the blunders they made, into something that presents Russia as big baddie to those who could not care to seek objective news.. ie 90% of population.
just my 2c
DJ.Oh i fully agree with you.. what i should have said is, if you cant protect your airspace and control it, you can not conduct effective CAS missions. Hence getting any kind of combat Aircraft for georgians would mean money wasted. Add to that fact that Russia can plow any Airfield they chose…
Use of combat helos is best they could do.. in that rugged terrain and with threat of SAMs, it would be hard to hit low flying helo from air…
DJ.Lets put it this way.. could you provide any meaningful CAS without means to defend your airspace?
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DJ.F22 to Caucases… Cuban Missile crysis… :rolleyes:
In exactly two weeks there will be no news on this on any media.. people will forget about it.. and Abhkazia and Ossetia will move move to practical but semi recognized independece status.. like Taiwan and Kosovo.. Georgia will be steaming about it.. just like serbia… but it will make no difference what so ever.
There will be no WW3 , cold war 2 or cuban crysis …
PS: Why do people here use “Moving F22s to a Region” like some sort of buggey monster threat.. To nations that are not Afraid of USA now.. (those with ICBMs) F22 is not a policy changing threat… to those Nations without ICBMs… a battlegroup with FA18s on board is as scary as F22… probably more.
DJ.People want one mobile device with more and more function and capability .. why carry phone, camera, mp3 player, video player, game console , or even laptop for email and net.. when one device can do it all.
As for Original question… Iphone has best and easiest interface outhere, but typical Apple crap is holing it back.. no support for any other video format then Qtime, all the “I” software crap, cant change battery, 3g speeds limited..
Berry black continues with berry rep for being the best email tool out there.. only now they add some multimedia, web and esthetics to it… and windows 6.1 mobile which is the god awfull piece of crap.. thrust me i deal with it every day.
Good alternative to both of these is Samsung Omnia.. but once again.. Windows 6.1 😡
Like i said my advice.. wait for few more months and see how First Android phones shape up.. HTC will have one in November. Feb next year will see windows 7.0 mobile.. and ive heard some good things about it.. If Msoft cocks up on 7.0 like they did on 6.1 its long kiss good bye … they wont get second chance with Android and Apple leading the way… and mobile device market will overtake PC market in next decade or so.
My advice…wait few months and see.. if you cant wait get Omnia for MMedia (can play DivX) and apps.. or BBerry Black for emails and buissines. As much as love iphone idiot prove interface.. untill they fix upstreem data flow, and replacable battery, and allow third party apps together with DivX support player… im not getting one.
DJ.People want one mobile device with more and more function and capability .. why carry phone, camera, mp3 player, video player, game console , or even laptop for email and net.. when one device can do it all.
As for Original question… Iphone has best and easiest interface outhere, but typical Apple crap is holing it back.. no support for any other video format then Qtime, all the “I” software crap, cant change battery, 3g speeds limited..
Berry black continues with berry rep for being the best email tool out there.. only now they add some multimedia, web and esthetics to it… and windows 6.1 mobile which is the god awfull piece of crap.. thrust me i deal with it every day.
Good alternative to both of these is Samsung Omnia.. but once again.. Windows 6.1 😡
Like i said my advice.. wait for few more months and see how First Android phones shape up.. HTC will have one in November. Feb next year will see windows 7.0 mobile.. and ive heard some good things about it.. If Msoft cocks up on 7.0 like they did on 6.1 its long kiss good bye … they wont get second chance with Android and Apple leading the way… and mobile device market will overtake PC market in next decade or so.
My advice…wait few months and see.. if you cant wait get Omnia for MMedia (can play DivX) and apps.. or BBerry Black for emails and buissines. As much as love iphone idiot prove interface.. untill they fix upstreem data flow, and replacable battery, and allow third party apps together with DivX support player… im not getting one.
DJ.Trying to see things from more than one side is a good habit.
I do my best.. having lived on both sides of the diving line … 😉
DJ.Seems russia has done a bang-up job kick starting Cold War II…….maybe Europe will start spending real money on defense again.
CWII??… It takes two to tango… NATO expanding to Russian borders, Kosovo, Iraq, ABM.. its not like US cant be accused of the same.
As for EU…. I would not bet on EU countries raising their def. budgets extra by single euro.. why bother when you can have US do all the work of defending your cheese eating wine drinking Vespa driving sorry butt.
Only project Europeans are interested in, are those where they can make a profit by exports to other countries… and if they can beat Americans to a contract… even better 😛
DJ.Lets not go into US election politics any further.. i get enough working with two yanks .. one democrat.. other from Alabama.. 😀
… Ive just arrived home and there are mixed news reports all over the place.. some claim Russians are still inside Gori.. then again BBC reporter came live from Gori few moments ago saying Russians are gone.
Hard to get picture of what exactly is going on there.
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