Steve49Maybe your ballot was counted then. French postal system/strike? I specifically filled mine in with a pen I brought rather than using the pencil provided and encouraged other Leave voters to do the same.
No because they never sent me the final ballot paper. They sent me the initial paperwork asking if I wanted to vote by post, I returned this (via the UK postal service) and them heard no more by post and when I phoned to enquire they just said I wasn’t eligible…
Still the deed is done now… The simple fact is there are no winners or losers here, either we all win if the BREXIT UK thrives or we all lose if the UK crashes… I just hope that you 52ers are right… Otherwise we’re facing some serious trouble…
Steve49[QUOTE=Sigma4;2324908]I don’t really understand how you live in France but work in the UK, unless you travel to the UK everyday.
Well isn’t not too difficult really… I spend a week a work and then have a week off… Not everybody has a 9-5 job…
I sent my initial postal ballot paperwork in as normal,
but heard no more. Maybe it got lost, maybe somebody didn’t process it, but I’ve never had a problem before. Perhaps I should filled it in, in pencil….
Steve49Non-residents. Not affected by vote. Those living abroad in EU were allowed though.
I’m afraid you’re wrong there… I’m a UK citizen who has lived in France for the post 6 years, but works in the UK and pays all my UK taxes, but wasn’t allowed to vote in the EU referendum, even though I’m registeted and can vote in General and council elections…
But hey I’m sure you can create some facts to say that it’s all the fault of the evil EU dictatorship!
Steve49Man lacks tact. He should know there’s a time for diplomacy.
The problem is the man has no interest in a good deal for the UK, a bad deal means unhappy voters, who will blame the main parties and drift to him at UKIP… The leave campaign was already playing politics with our (the UK’s) future, this is just him carrying it on…
That said, this thread really has no place on the Avaition forum.
Steve49[QUOTE=Jonesy;2321398]If the Westminster government say no at the moment the answer is that they dont secede. Theoretically the SNP leadership would be guilty of high treason and jailed if they managed to conduct an unsanctioned referendum and declared independence. In reality of course there would need to be negotiation and agreement before the 2nd referendum could be taken.
To be arrested and charged with high treason then the country would have to be ‘invaded’ to capture the leadership…! And as you say the armed forces contain a significant percentage of Scottish personnel, who might have something to say on the subject… I don’t for one second see this scenario playing out, but these are going to be strange times and strange things can happen and wars have started for far less… This is going to be a messy divorce and maybe the EU will want to keep custody of Scotland!
The cost of replacing the loss of Coulport and Faslane, combined with the already increasing costs of the Vanguard replacements would certainly be an eyewatering expense though which could cripple the ‘UK’ defence budget for a number of years to come… Though if it comes to be, I’d put my money on Milford Haven, the other locations would probably crash due to environmental concerns.
Steve49Do we really need another BREXIT thread that will rapidly descend in two sided arguments by people who lets be honest have no idea what will happen and whether it was a good idea… I come on here to get away from all that madness…!
So here is another thought… Scotland demands a second independence referendum, the Westminster Government says no… so the SNP holds one anyway, wins with a large majority and declares independence the day after… What does the ‘UK’ do then? Overnight the UK nuclear deterrent is left in limbo, the second carrier and the means to dry dock the newly completed QE have been lost, as has most of the active ship building capacity….
So does the ‘UK’ use military force to try to reverse it or accept the situation…? Does Mr Putin deploy his little Green Men to help the peace-loving Scottish people keep their freedom…? Does a EU peacekeeper force deploy along the border…?
Fact could become stranger than fiction…
Steve49I still say your position is a fail. You say that the “threat doesnt exist” but there is no way in the world you can know what threats the country will have in 5 to 7 years.
As is your position…
All defence budgets are a matter of compromise and yet you’ve failed to identify which programs that are needed now, you’d cancel, to pay for a new aircraft to counter a threat which doesn’t exist…
Steve49No news on Argus or Diligence out of service dates. They’re just not shown in the projected 2025 fleet.
Regarding the loss of the hospital role, I’d be more concerned about the loss of the forward support capacity that Diligence provided to the submarine force.
Steve49I wonder how they plan the reduced MCM force structure; will they keep all of the remaining more adaptive Hunt’s and pay off three Sandown’s or will they go for a force of six of each class which would support the 9th MCM Squadron deployment of two of each (namely two preparing to deploy, two deployed and two on post deployment maintenance).
Steve49The two extra OPVs are to be built before the T26s start, the design apparently is still not ready.
I wasn’t aware of that… It’s kind of staggering that with all the time that they have been planning for the T26, that the design can still not be ready for ordering.
Do you have any idea what the projected in service date is for the first of class is now?
Steve49Yes the logic would be to continue the Type 26 line after the first eight, but with a ‘cheaper’ less well equipped version, ironically making it a comparison with the Type 22 programme, but in reverse, with instead of getting it right with the Batch 3’s, we’d actually be taking a step backward with the latter batch. Still if it meant that the hulls were built, at least that would provide the option of upgrades later. To me a worry is with the (surprise) addition of two more OPV’s to keep the shipyard busy, does that indicate a plan to halt at eight T26’s and then mess around with a new design for the later ‘cheaper’ T23 replacements. I guess the dust still has to settle, but the 19 hulls, though still too few for the present day commitments, is certainly better than the pre SDSR rumoured loss of more numbers…
On a different question with the apparent withdrawal of Diligence without a replacement before 2025, I wonder what the plan is to replace the forward deployment SSN support it presently provides.
Steve49Not forgetting all those Western lend-lease trucks and jeeps that carried their motor rifle troops all the way to Berlin.
Where not the quantities of trucks, in the overall scheme of things was quite small. How many trucks did the Red Army have, and how many where leased from th West? It would be informative to know. Please do share, in case you have the numbers.[/QUOTE]
From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
‘In total, the US deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386[26] of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans);[27] 11,400 aircraft (4,719 of which were Bell P-39 Airacobras)[28] and 1.75 million tons of food.[29]
Roughly 17.5 million tons of military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, 94% coming from the US. For comparison, a total of 22 million tons landed in Europe to supply American forces from January 1942 to May 1945. It has been estimated that American deliveries to the USSR through the Persian Corridor alone were sufficient, by US Army standards, to maintain sixty combat divisions in the line.[30][31]
The United States gave to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil), 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,900 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company’s River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars’
Steve49Its how the Soviets won WW2 despite the lack of a vibrant economy.[/QUOTE]
Not forgetting all those Western lend-lease trucks and jeeps that carried their motor rifle troops all the way to Berlin.
Steve49At the last count the Ukrainian Armed forces had lost the following since operations began in Eastern Ukraine;
2x MiG29
1x Su24
5x Su25
1x Il.76
1x An30
1x An26
10x Mi24
4x Mi8
At least 1x Su24, 2x Su25 and 1x An30 (which was repaired and later shot down) have been damaged.
Steve49What’s the difference on a radar scope. Also, long range radar with long wavelength probably couldn’t differentiate between a 777 and a MiG-29 in its wake.
MiG-29s and Su-27s carry R-27s on nearly every sortie. Why else would Kiev be buying R-27s from Vietnam via Hong Kong at a time when they’re up against a foe with no air force?
Yes, so why then did the Russian press conference say it was shot by a Su25? If they had said it was shot down by an unidentified fighter then they would probably have gained some credibility to the theory, but instead they claimed it was a Frogfoot. Some things aren’t obvious, but the idea that a Su25 shot down the Boeing is obviously stretching the theory to the extreme.
Well its probably a certainly that they’re not buying AAM’s attack the separatists… but perhaps they’re trying to restore some semblance of operational efficiency to their long neglected Air Force in the face of on/off Russian build ups along their long border.
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