If you want to prevent the taliban having nukes, then you should definately invade Pakistan and not Afghanistan. I didn’t even say being in Afghanistan was right or wrong, just that it can’t be won, especially the way the coalition is doing it.

Nic

Invade Pakistan! You want Pakistan to do today what Taliban ‘might’ do tomorrow. Brilliant strategy.

I dont think this part is under dispute at all. The Indian ship was definitely a latecomer to the scene, and that too because the Indian media attacked the Govt nonstop that despite the IN being on piracy patrol, there were no IN ships in the vicinity. Hence the GOI was forced to respond by asking the Navy to send a ship to see if it could offer assistance. The issue, of course, is what happened thereafter.

This business of ‘kicking INS xxx” /almost ramming it, is pretty dicey. In reality, both ships could have been severely damaged and worse.

My point is, Indian Navy came there looking to take over the operation for PR purposes back home. Pakistani Navy being the opposing force did not help either.

When one eagle tries to snatch some other eagle’s catch, it always results in some ruffled feathers!

Both of them need to grow up.

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Isn’t this part of the hostage rescue drama?

Could you give a link which proves your hypothesis that Indian navy tried to snatch operation from Pakistani Navy?

It’s not a hypothesis on my part, I read it in a newspaper around that time.

Anyways Indian navy was not in the area and isn’t a member of Task Force 151, so Pakistan Navy was given the duty of escorting the hijacked ship to safe waters.

Here’s a link from an Indian newspaper.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/nervous-govt-pulled-godavari-off-mission-to-help-mv-suez/806019/2

”Acting as per the international convention that has governed anti-piracy operations in the region for the past three years, the Indian Navy contacted friendly navies in the region to determine which warship was closest to respond to Suez’s call. Contact was also made with the US-initiated Combined Task Force (CTF) 151, a multination coalition of warships that patrol the Gulf of Aden.

One of the first warships that responded, officials said, was PNS Babur, which is part of CTF 151. The Pakistani warship declared that it was proceeding to escort the Suez. As per the laws of the sea, the other warships in the region then continued on their patrols, staying on alert for other piracy attempts.

However, late on Wednesday, apparently after repeated reports on Indian TV that a Pakistani naval ship had reached the Suez while India was “taking no action” and “letting down” its citizens on board, the government directed the Indian Navy to send in a warship to “establish contact” with the Suez, sources said.”

and the same peson has called the Mk1 gen4 and Mk2 4.5 but apparently that’s not good enough for you. you have to go digging for dirt to find hidden meaning in his comments.

what does mig-21++ mean anyway, to you it means “old generation non american aircraft pilloried on discovery channel so it must be trash”, to him as chief of IAF, the mig-21 bison is a credible platform inspite of its age.

anyway, if you want to split hairs how about this, + is usually used to denote 0.5
the mig-21bis is 3rd gen and bison is considered 3.5 gen. so mig-21++ is 4.5 gen.
where’s the negativity exactly ?

So why didnt he just call it 4th Gen? or compare it with a Mirgae 2000, which India has.
Pakistan didnt say JF-17 is a F-7+++ or a Mirage 3/5 ++. They went for the the best in their fleet (F-16) and compared their fighter with that.

so the P3C orions were to track taliban submarines ? what about those with hawkeye packages ?

P3s have been used extensively in the tribal areas for surveillance. Pakistan Navy has accepted that many times.

There are loads of interviews on Youtube, if you want to check.

Next thing you will be asking is, are F-16s to shoot down taliban jets and are Apaches in Afghanistan to hunt Taliban armoured formations.

Another one went up in flames. Terrorists equipped with NVG are still firing. As of now one French and one Turkish terrorist have been killed by the forces.

Latest news reports say 4 Orions are up in flames.

China is to build a base for Pakistan to use, NOT for Chinese use!
Bolding mine

I doubt you will get a headline saying Pakistan gifts a naval base to China. What you expect a Chinese built and run naval port with no Chinese ships?