BuranThe missile on the right R/73,is missing quite a piece.Would be interesting where the warhead is located in R-73
Rest of it was burned while attached to the pylon. What you see at the back is the remaining section on the pylon.
Looks like 4 out of 4.
BuranIn other news, apparently the Mig21 wreckage has been put together and all 4 missiles (2 x R73 and 2 R77) are present.
I’m not a missile expert, can someone confirm if these indeed are R73 and R77?
BuranThe Eurofighter is not capable of the nuclear weapons delivery role for any of the partner nations. Rafale is designed with that role in mind for France and will in the future, be taking over the strategic nuclear platform role from the Mirage-2000 in IAF service.
Which means that France won’t have any issues with India’s nuclear bombs being integrated with it. And in the future, when an indigenous Air Launched Nuclear Missile like the ASMP-A is developed (which is in the works), Dassault won’t lay roadblocks to India integrating it with the Rafale.
None of the partner nations have an air delivered nuclear weapon in their inventory as they are reliant on US bombs. It’s just like saying F22 is not capable of firing a R77.
It’s a matter of integration a US bomb (under NATO control) on Europe aircraft, nothing to do with the warhead on the bomb. You wont be able to plug and play a non integrated bomb on the Rafale without going through integration with French help. Same would have been the case with Eurofighter.
Ra’ad missile on Mirage 3/5 could technically carry a tactical nuke, but that was integrated after almost 50 years of use and developing a whole lot of in-house infrastructure around that aircraft, hence didn’t need French help.
BuranEurofighter wasn’t the choice of the IAF and it rightly selected the Rafale which brought it maximum capability, including the option of nuclear weapons delivery. US options are still considered sanction prone and with the possibility of end-user monitoring which isn’t going to be palatable to the IAF.
Typhoon brought nothing that the Rafale didn’t have (and instead lacked AESA back then), and instead it had the added headache of dealing with a consortium that seemingly cannot ever make up its mind on what new technology to add and when, since each of the partners have their own priorities.
Pardon my ignorance, but what additional capability is Rafale coming with for nuclear weapons delivery? How would the role of the delivering aircraft change based on the warhead of the munitions being dropped? of course you don’t want to be on top of the explosion, but other than that why cant any jet drop that nuclear bomb/missile?
BuranNot very different from what the Pakistanis did just a few weeks ago..thought that the pilot who was injured and admitted to Command Medical Hospital was Indian. Announced it through their Prime Minister and the DG ISPR spokesperson. Grandiosely spoke about how they would take care of that person, hoping he would recover.
And then, 2 hours later did a volte face and said “hey, we’ve actually got just 1 Indian pilot in our custody”.
Obviously, whoever in the Pakistan Army briefed their superiors about the national identity of the injured pilot, goofed up big time and when that mistake was discovered, the cover up began.
Of course, all those videotaped eyewitness accounts that claimed 2 parachutes or 3 parachutes being seen were bogus and those were Indian agents spreading lies in PoK. And the videotaped eyewitness account of a PoK national stating that he and others beat up a “Sikh” pilot and handed him over to the PA was also bogus, isn’t it?
I think this discussion has run its course.
If India wants the world to believe its claims, they have to come up with something better than some fuzzy youtube videos and Dog ate my home work argument. If you have the proof, show it. Simple.
He said, She said, is not going to move this discussion along.
BuranThis is your country’s record when it comes to acknowledging it’s combatants. So lay off the pious sarcasm.
https://www.telegraphindia.com/india…ops/cid/461514
It took you guys 11 years last time to even admit the loss of your regulars in conflict. Eleven years. Lets see how long it takes this time.
You want more proof?
Heres the documentary film maker then author who was roped in to repatriate the survivors your military establishment abandoned, just so that it wouldn’t have a PR issue.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0yGHx9XgAAYPKp.jpg
https://twitter.com/shivkunalverma/status/1102403528780333058
They were simple souls used as cannon fodder by Musharraf. 7 were from NLI & one was from FrontierForce. No difference between them & our chaps.
This is what happens in a quasi-dictatorship wherein your military calls the shots and ISI is yet to allow site visits to Balakot.
Firstly a moaning session about an unrelated event doesn’t prove an F-16 shot down.
and Secondly lets not throw shade here. You want us to take the word of a military who in panic posthumously gave the highest military award to someone who was alive! just because a day before Pakistan awarded their highest military award for the Kargil conflict.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogendra_Singh_Yadav
The Param Vir Chakra was announced for Yadav posthumously, but it was soon discovered that he was recuperating in a hospital!
BuranThat is exactly what I have said earlier.
Let me put my crystal ball lens on – within the next couple of months before the US takes the next inventory of F16s sold to Pakistan, we will hear reports of a F16 crash.
Can you ask your crystal ball, how many F16s had crashed when the last inventory was taken?
No one else seems to know that perhaps you might.
BuranPot calling the kettle black.
Considering the fact that the Prime Minister of Pakistan as well as the Director General ISPR of Pakistan, both went on TV press conferences and announced that they had a second pilot, who was admitted to hospital.. heck they even mentioned the hospital name, Command Medical Hospital..and that pilot vanished into thin air after discovering his true identity. Almost unbelievable incompetence. And it revealed that a soldier’s sacrifice would be hidden for a lie to stand.
Plus,
The whole “No F-16s participated in the strike” claim of Pakistan’s DG ISPR which was also disproved with the AMRAAM evidence.
My friend you should look up the difference between conjecture and credible proof. Everything you have stated above do not equate to an F-16 being shot down.
Or maybe you are right, until they cut open the pilot and discovered a Pakistani flag planted in his abdomen, they had no clue that he was a Pakistani pilot!
What’s even more laughable is that Indian defence minister saying that they know the identity of the PAF pilot who was killed, but choose not to give out his name. Come on! Perhaps they know whatever they reveal will be shot down again, like the claim over the wreckage and the first pilot, who turned out to be someone else and alive.
Desperately clinging on to the initial statement by the military spokesperson, without being able to provide an iota of proof is not the way to prove your point. It has been universally debunked.
BuranWhat kind of specialty have you with… teenage girls? C’mon, it’s only a short days past women world day. :mad:*
EDIT:
Seems Skumar7777 beat me on this 😉
*Unless you want to share your experience as a woman,
Would have replied, if you had a good come back. Repeating the same line back is not fun or clever.
As far as this article goes, it clearly concludes:
“I have to make clear that we have zero evidence that a Pakistani F-16 was lost in combat. None. That does not mean it didn’t happen, it just means that at this time we have no reason to believe it beyond taking India’s word for it“
BuranIAF gambling with its credibility again! Given the message is for the local audience, they can get away with anything.
http://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/co…511-2019-03-15
‘However, after a close analysis of the photograph and by stripping down old MiG engines in the Pathankot base, the IAF submitted evidence to the government that the wreckage was not that of a MiG-21 but more likely of an F-16’
Given that multiple experts have debunked their F-16 wreckage theory and that the part is NOT from any engine, I wonder why IAF felt the need to strip down an engine. It has been clearly proven that this part was from a Mig-21.
Bizarre to say the least.
http://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/02/falcon-vs-bison-verifying-a-mig-21-wreck/
It really is post-truth age.
BuranFlame baiting but cannot resist 🙂 Please report.
Pakistan is the nation that
- denied Osama bin Laden was in its territory while he was living cozily a few hundred yards from major military establishments
- denied Dawood Ibrahim was ever in Pakistan for decades
- denied that Kasab (the perpetrator of the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attacks captured alive, caught on cameras and in live witness accounts) was a Pakistani citizen
- denied that any of the dead in the Kargil war belonged to its army and refused to accept the dead bodies of its Northern Light Infantry soldiers, later acknowledged by deposed dictator Musharraf
- in the latest instance, denied that F16s were used, we will see how the cookie crumbles in this one.
All of the above came from the Pakistani government through official statements, not through journalists, not though third parties, not through unnamed sources.
Ah, That’s ok. Other teenage girls go through this phase too and learn how to behave later. Hope you get through this too.
BuranI think simple logic is failing some members in their analysis of the wreckage.
Just purely looking at the timelines (time stamp in pictures), and disregarding all technical aspects we see the following (look at the officer with some white hair on front)
At 10:41 he is standing next to what is undeniably Mig 21 wreckage
At 10:45 he is near the drop tank, which in the latest iteration of Indian claims is not a Mig21 fuel tank
At 10:47 he is standing near, what previously was claimed as F16 wreckage by Indians but were proven wrong by multiple experts.
Unless both the planes shot at each other and the collided and crashed together, this again is not a F16 fuel tank.
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BuranHas the region lost another opportunity of peace for a generation due to jingoism and electioneering?
(Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa is seen as having more moderate views on India than those of his predecessors and has given Khan a green light to extend an olive branch to New Delhi, offering to negotiate over Kashmir as well as open trade talks. Diplomats speculate that Bajwa’s more conciliatory stance stems from his service under an Indian general during a UN peacekeeping mission and because he’s worried about Pakistan’s overdependence on China.”)
BuranIndia is the world’s seventh largest country by land area and the second most populous. We also have islands where Pakistani missiles or Nukes cannot reach (thanks to Brits) and (albeit limited) sea based deterrence. So Trust me Pakistani Nukes will not hold India back beyond a point if Pakistani backed terror outfits continue their attacks.
In a nuclear war, India my lose half her population and all her major cities. But Pakistan will be wiped of the map and occupied and reunited with India (its not just the Chinese who have ambitions to go back to their ancient borders my friend). In the short term it may look like stupidity. But if you think like historians do, in a couple of hundred years it will be worth it.
But the fact is that it does not have to be that way. India accepts Pakistan as it is and is more or less happy with the status quo, if Pakistan wishes to change it, an increasingly assertive India (that you will see in the coming decades) will make sure its changed in a way that is favourable to us.
That’s like strangling to death a person wearing a suicide belt while hoping he wont press the button in his last breath. It’s all bluster, the moment India realises that next step is a nuclear exchange with possible use of city busters they will back down.
No amount of terrorist attacks are worth loosing either Mumbai or Delhi, regardless of what happens to the other side in retaliation.
BuranDont you worry folks and armchair pilots like me….both the Air Forces will get many more chances to try combat again…India has set a new response template and Ishaallah..it will stay that way for future response also…so please wait for more fun to follow…and BTW Cheers to all of you
As for the future, being a weaker conventional power, Pakistan will never let India have the benefit of engage in a conventional conflict only. What this incident has proven is that Pakistan is fully committed to brining Nuclear weapons into the fight as soon as possible. The swift retaliation by PAF attacking near military targets was to force India to respond in kind so the escalation ladder is quickly climbed to a point where exchange of nuclear weapons would be imminent. And that is the only thing holding India back.
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