I think if there is a stirke at Iran, the US soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan can forget about looking out for ‘home made’ IEDs because they will have proper ATGMs heading their way.

Iran can casue a real problem in Afghanistan and Iraq. Forget about their differences with the Taleban, they got weapons delivered by Israel during the Iran-Iraq war.

You think Iran isn’t already involved in both. The Brits had hard evidence of Iranian cross border involvement several years ago in Iraq.

No one is claiming that Iran hasn’t got its hand in both these countries at the moment.

They want Americans to win both in Iraq and Afghanistan, lets be honest both wars served Iranian interests too. But they want US to get a good licking before they win. There is no full and explicit support for these groups.

There might be some low level support but if they ratchet it up to the level of support US gave mujahideen, things will get dirty.

Anyways the point of my previous post was to say that air power is not enough to take care of the dispersed Iranian nuclear programme, if it could have worked we would have seen a series of massive air raids on Iraq not a ground invasion!

No nation has the capability to build Ballistic missiles without failures as we saw with the United States and Russia, but for a nation to be in the top ten ranks of failed nations like Pakistan and still have a missile program with no failures must be incredible

‘RAAD ALCM‘ and ‘Babur Cruise missile‘? Wait, let me guess, no failures either?
With the level of technological advance that the Pakistanis have what is it doing in the rank of top ten Failed states?

IMHO, India should be on top of that list with the number of missile failures. Can someone edit that Wikipedia entry please?

I think you are confusing the failed states list with missile test failures. Let me assure you these things are completely irrelevant. Even Russia was in the failed states list in 90’s with its mighty missile forces.

Would be a nice strike force to pulverize an Iranian nuclear facility. How much would it cost to pack them up and ship them to Israel?

The problem is its ‘facilities’ not one facility in Iran, you will need more than a few air raids to dent their capability.

Crashed plane at Riyadh

I can’t speak for the public days, but there were no “swarms” when I went to see it last Monday and Wednesday. Only about half a dozen onlookers on both occasions. The two aircraft were parked sufficently far from the rest of the static display to discourage many visitors, I suspect.

I was there on Saturday, and it really was swarmed with people. Every one was asking the pilots ”where is this plane from?” ”Is it swedish?”. To say the least most people were really impressed not only with the planes but also with the Pakistani pilots who were very well spoken.

Im sure Pakistanis visiting their display at Farnborough were very proud.

1) Wrong on this count, UN now suspect Iran may be developing weapons
2) Saudia issues more Fatwas then Iran? That is the basis of Iran being more tolerant? VERY flawed argument here….
3)I dont want to get into whose laws are more repressive, I dont really care, but will settle for the fact people still get whipped and ordered to be stoned to death in Iran. As this also happens in SA, does not make Iran more better
4) Does not matter who they were fighting, why bring in other wars. My point is they attacked innocent shipping. Not the sign of a stable power.

Of course SA gets let off the hook by the Yanks. No dount about that. It does not make Iran a nice guy.

Iran is one of the most dicatorial states in the world. Arguing otherwise seems insane.

The world is full of countries who dont conform with the western ideal of a free democracy.

We can point out a country far worse than Iran on every issue you have mentioned above, but invading those countries is not in the strategic interest of US.

When they have to hammer a country to submission they cherry pick the criteria and arguments to suit their needs.

We have seen this yo-yo in the past;

Iraq good – Iraq bad
Taliban Good – Taliban bad
Iran good – Iran bad
Pakistan good – Pakistan bad -Pakistan good again!