Hello everyone, i had a few questions in mind would like to see your expert opinion.
What is the amount of Fuel an F-16 can carry?
How much time can it remain air-bound?And in a small country such as Pakistan, is it worth it to have Aerial refuelling. As i assume all bases wont be that far to land, refuel and take off. Having an aerial refuller airbound all the time, is it really worth it?
That’s a wrong way to look at it. Your country size does not matter that much, more important is what you want to achieve with airborne refuelling.
Israel is 38 times smaller than Pakistan but it needs refuelers because it expects to carry out long range missions. Similarly what PAF has realised is that the entire eastern seaboard is open on the Indian side and with help of airborne refuelling they can attack deep south into India, bypassing all land based defences.
Doesn’t look as if they already had the WMD-7 if you ask me..
Instead, 16 JF-17s will be produced this year with a further 20 in 2017, but Arain acknowledged that the jets’ usefulness in current operations was limited because it lacks precision targeting.
Pakistan has been making noises around lack of precision targeting capability and that F-16s are the only asset they can use to attack terrorists.
Its all a game to show the US Govt that they really need more free F-16s otherwise fight against terrorism will suffer.
Pakistan is realizing these light weight attack helicopters like the Mongoose and Z-10 are too compromised for their role.
if you’re going to buy one, you go heavy and nothing else.Pakistan needs a US and a non-US solution because they mutually don’t trust each other.
Pakistan knows the US will side with India.
US knows Pakistan will side with terrorist groups in certain countriesRussia knows they are losing India as a customer so this is a benefit to both.
Russia gets a replacement for India
Pakistan gets access to Russian weapons that are better than what they could get with China.
Completely wrong.
Pakistan will never be in a position to replace India in Russia and India does not want to replace the Yo-Yo relationship US has with Pakistan. US will support whomever they need at that time as they always do and India knows that.
Further the difference between Pak and US are only on Afghan Taliban (Yes terrorist today, but were potential business partners for US pre 9/11 and we don’t know about the future)
Best solution will be to get as many US freebies as possible as the first line and spend own cash on Chinese/Russian equipment to beef up the numbers. They do need to rationalise as currently PAF have equipment from every major aircraft manufacturing nation (US/France/China/Sweden/Russia (MI-17s).
Sour grapes?
Was F-16 not dropped by India as it did not meet their requirements in the MMRCA competition?
Also Indians believe LCA to be at par if not superior to the F-16 so why not increase the LCA production rather than waste time in moving the entire F-16 production line to India.
Just doesn’t make sense
maybe the idea is not to replace the migs by their equivalent, but by something better.
What’s more, India want an aircraft capable of deep strike, while the Typhoon Tr1 is pretty much all about air to air, which they use their Su-30 for. In short, it is an aircraft they have no use for
As for maintainance costs, why not ask Austrians how they fared with their Tr1 Typhoons that Germans sold to them?
Is this true? Must be amongst a handful of dual seater air superiority fighter out there. Are there any operational in western air forces after F-14 was retired?
there are no sources for PAKFA rcs values. no one has test data against radar ranges. It is 10 year newer design than F-35. i fully expect its rcs to be much lower than F-35. plus its high altitude performnace and engine power advantage over medium size AWACS completely negate usefullness of AWACS against missile fired from PAKFA. Either built big AWACS or not built at all.
PAKFA might be a 10 year newer design but it is from an aviation industry 20 years behind the west. So starting late does not translate to a better design.
Today’s Iran can barely build F-5 variants with zero external support. What can India or Pakistan build with zero external support? MiG-21?
Electricity Consumption (kWh) per Capita in 2012:
Pakistan: 452
India: 744
Iran: 2762
China: 3475
That is not a good thing at all. Iran has massive inefficiencies in its energy sector. The size of their economy compared with energy consumption is scary to say the least.
Iran 2014 Symposium added that “if energy consumption continues the same way by 2025 Iran will need 2.5 million squares natural gas which makes Iran the main gas importer in the world.
http://en.mehrnews.com/news/102219/Iran-domestic-energy-consumption-equivalent-to-EU-industries
Pakistan has no production line. Pakistan assembles parts of JF-17 supplied from China, like how India assembles parts of Su-30MKI from Russia.
That is absolutely not true. India manufactures a large portion of SU30 from raw materials in India. Similarly Pakistan have exclusive rights on production of around 58% of the airframe in Pakistan. In both cases its not just assembly but manufacturing from raw materials.
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) holds the exclusive rights of 58% of JF-17 airframe co-production work.
http://www.pac.org.pk/jf-17
Tanvir says 60% of the airframe and 80% of the avionics will be indigenously produced by 2010, boosting Pakistan’s budding manufacturing industry.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pakistan-starts-domestic-production-of-jf-17-fighter-221052/
JF-17 is FC-1 customized for Pakistan. Pakistan produces nothing. Has no technology.
Than it shouldn’t be a problem to sell it to Iran.
Can it come straight off the line in China to Iran with out any Pakistani involvement or is the only production line is in Pakistan?
In any case, unless Pakistan has decided to distance itself from Saudi Arabia, JF-17 will not be heading to Iran.
Maybe no JF-17 but certainly FC-1 can be sold by China. Puts Pakistan in a good position too, either Arab air forces buy it or let them sell it to Iran.
Is Growler even on the table? and how would made in India work for Growler? unlikely US will let India assemble/manufacture this capability at home.
Thought about digging up this thread for posting that right stuff!
Finally (!), INS Vikramaditya shown with its full deck component of 14 x MiG-29K/KUB and helos.
Lots of changes for the white ‘domes’ having their places shifted and an AD fit that is just ok, done on a tight budget. Two AK-630 at the stern deck edges and 3 set of Barak-I on the superstructure.
why 14 only? Wiki says 26.
How much round the clock support could you get out of only 14 jets, lets say a week into the fight given serviceability and other issues?
North Korean Submarine Launches Missile Test.
A liquid fuelled SLBM, how safe and practical are these?
Vishnu , Considering they have received Mid life upgrade , Why cant they use it on Vikramaditya for CAP mission till the end of structural like of SHARs , if they need signigificant logistic equipment on Vikram then using it off Goa is an option.
I think during emergency they can always deploy over Virkamaditya , I recollect during Kargil they were talking of deploying SHARs over Tanker and Logistics Ship of IN since Viraat was on a refit then.
In theory it might work, only if the said ship is already in port to take on the required equipment/spare engines etc. However I’m not sure if India can deliver equipment to ships already hundreds of miles at sea.
To answer my own question. Most likely they are the first customer for F-16V
http://www.janes.com/article/55455/us-prepares-to-sell-eight-newbuild-f-16s-to-pakistan
“These new aircraft will be more advanced than the last batch of F-16s [the contract for which was signed in 2006],” said the Pakistani government official.