What concerns me in that Korean ships, is that IMO they back too much on too small, and thats never recepy for succses. Also, Before that biggest SK build surface ships had been the Ulsan class ligth frigates, so It would have been risky deal to purchase ships before Korean Own navy had any experience wheter their shipyards could come up with succsefull ships.
Ofcourse, the KDX program seems to go on fine, so that migth have been death concern. Also, I agree Lafayettes AD is almoust useless compared to what the Korean ship would have offered. As it came known, the French deal was hampered by mainland opposition, but would that have inflicted to SK ones? Expecially, when the armament fit would have been from US? Im not that big expert on China-Korean relations, but that sure is intresting side note on the Taiwan’s proplematic naval accustion history.
Well, I believe by the time Korea offered the ships to Taiwan, they learn to overcome many problems they faced when building Ulsan class warships. Also, civil shipbuilding was booming at time, building supertankers for Korean and foreign customers. So technical improvement in civil can be transferred to military with little or no difficulty. Plus before late nineties, naval projects for foreign customers was the biggest arm industry in Korea at the time.
And as for the relations with PRC, there was none. This happened before diplomatic relations was first established between RoK and PRC. Of course, Korea diplomats may influence the sale in regard to possible PRC relations, that is something to speculate.
PS: Don’t you think the Ulsan derivative look like smaller version of US Spruance class?
Also, can anyone has better pictures of those models?
yeah I recall that pribe thing, but It didn’t came to my mind that it was related to these projects.
So do you think, Taiwan would have been better off by getting Korean ships instead of French?
Aside from bribe, cost and poor AD, Lafayette is good ships. But then stealth is poor trade-off in my opinion and Taiwan should have purchased Ulsan derivative. I mean it offered better AD than current Taiwanese Lafayette, plus 16 vs. 6.
You think so? It hardly resembles it. If someone has any additional info, please don´t hold yourself back:-))
I remember reading it from Jane’s book about that.
South Korea offered 16 to Taiwan who needed coastal defense warships like Ulsan derivative.
But French gave big bribe, so Taiwan purchased 6 Lafayette.
I don’t know if this will help, but if you browse Jane’s Navy book from late 80s to early 90s, it mentions in Taiwan category.
Articles about the scandal.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/taiwan/2006/taiwan-060724-cna02.htm
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:BZY7pWwY7j0J:english.www.gov.tw/TaiwanHeadlines/index.jsp%3Fprint%3D1%26categid%3D8%26recordid%3D97407+taiwan+korea+ulsan+warship&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:zGal1h-pyo0J:english.www.gov.tw/TaiwanHeadlines/index.jsp%3Fcategid%3D8%26recordid%3D88979+taiwan+korea+ulsan+warship&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us
No additional info, but have a photo of the model.
RoKAF alternate history thread*
1960:**
12 F-86 squadrons
6 A-1 squadrons
1966:
12 F-86 squadrons
6 F-5 squadrons
9 A-1 squadrons(3 stationed in Vietnam)
1976:
12 F-5 squadrons
6 F-4 squadrons
6 A-1 Skyraiders
3 A-37 squadrons
1986:
12 F-5 squadrons
6 F-4 squadrons
6 A-10 squadrons
3 Tornado IDS squadrons
1996:
12 Northrop F/A-18L squadrons***
6 F-4 squadrons
6 A-10 squadrons
3 Tornado IDS squadrons
* In my alternate history scenario, someone beside Syngman Rhee becomes president of RoK, US leaves enough artillery assets to equip nine divisions for RoK in 1948, fighting gets stalemated just north of Seoul(no Pusan Perimeter), amphibious assault on Nampo, no separate commands between Eighth Army and X Corps during drive north, UN forces stop before Chongchon river to consolidate their line, MacArthur does not panic when PLA first attack, fighting eventually stabilize around 50 km north of Pyongyang and when ceasefire declared, PRC has buffer zone between Chongchon river and Yalu.
** Concentrating only on combat aircraft complement.
***Or equivalent version by McDonnell Douglas
Does anyone have pic of F-4 flying over Russian sub?
I remember seeing it on Korean newspapers long time ago.
Here’s the pic of the emblem
As I said it is an early concept.
No hard data yet.
is it real? it looks incredibly small. the forward fueselage and canopy is not proportional to the rest of the aircraft, it’d be amazing if they can actually fit sufficient air intakes let alone an internal weapons bay.
Just early design concept, actual aircraft will probably be very different.
Speaking of which, what other planes were sold to foreign countries before domestic AF recieved it?
Russia did experimented with in the sixties.
They hope to built it as troop transport.
Never put into production.
For Korea’s attempt, I see only as civilian use, perhaps until technology matures and military see a potential.
Go here http://www.kordi.re.kr/ for Korea Ocean Research and Development Institute website.
And.
http://www.se-technology.com/wig/index.php
Euro,Russia,US SAM system? Super complicated!!! :confused:
I should have said that rumored source of technical aid came first from Russia and now EUROSAM.
Back to Jap F-2, a month ago, I have read a local news paper in America, that they are going to cancel the production because some proplem with it (related to its composite airframe). Instead, they are going to buy JSF.
I don’t know how reliable.
I too have heard that only 60 will be procured.
Shame.
So much invested, so little gained.
So here’s what I know so far.
I know Israel expressed interest on A-50.
Lockheed Martin displayed A-50 model to UAE, try to sell it to UAE saying it complement well with their latest acquisition of F-16.
Vietnam had also express interest in A-50 as well.
SEA may be a potential market.
Aside from Hawk, A-50 is the only next generation of LIFT are ahead in development compared to others. MAKO I believe is still in blueprint stage, Aemarchi is in mock up stage, and MIG-AT have just had first flight test.
I have seen pic of souped up version of A-50 in a model format. It has AMRAAM on the rail, with Sidewinders and cluster munitions, IRST and the caption said that pilot will have HMD. Tried to find the pic but no luck.
PS: Until recently, I thought China was preoccupied with big projects like J-10 and neglected F-7 project. So I though SK has potential to sell F-50 to Pakistan. Since Pakistan is in favour with US, SK wouldn’t have any difficulty merchandising to Pakistan. Then China accelated JF-17 program and Pakistan are now fully committed to it. RATS!!