Holy Cow! you guys are great! Papa Lima, I will get back to in detail shortly. I will be in Europe all winter (scored a job as a ski instructor at the AFRC in Garmisch) so I could definelty make a few trips to Sweden on Ryanair or Easy Jet.
When i was living in Stockholm i read an interesting article (in English) about new documents that are coming to light concerning Swedens cooperation with the West. There was quite a bit of training done with the Swedish Rangers and the British SBS on the east coast. Also all disperesed Swedish airfields (ie the entire roadway system!) is built to NATO specs, they switched to 5.56 round for small arms about the same time NATO did etc, they were some other points also, I’ll have to find the article. Also, one of my profs used to be an ASW officer in the Swedish military for thirty years and took part in the famous hunt of the Whiskey class Soviet boats in the early 80’s. When i asked him about joint exercises he told, though they “supposedly” trained with both NATO and Warsaw Pact countries, he remebers only one occasion where an exercise was conducted with the Soviets. He remeber literally hundreds with NATO forces. Evidently the Norwegian and Swedish Air Forces also worked in concert heavily, passing off Soviet aircraft to each other, as well as ships to the Danes.
I am on my way to the library right now (two hours away) but will get back to everyone shortly. Thanks to everybody again! very much appreaicted!!!!!
BTW great pics of the Tunnans! keep them coming! On a side note, while writing my thesis recently i discovered that the design utilized in the Tunnans engine placement is called the Rudet design, the only other aircraft to share this design is the MiG-9 Fargo. just a little trivia for ya!
There is a pic somewhere of an early Mickey Mouse on the side of an Me-109, the mickey from Steamboat Wille. I’m a bit too tired to go looking for it at the moment, but I’ll see if i can dig it up tomorrow.
atc pal- Thanks, thats a great place to start! I have ordered one of those books through my uni library but i will try to get ahold of some of those others from online databases, thank you very much!!!
There really is suprisingly little published on the topic, which is good and bad, at least for me. It is good as I must prove in my proposal that the research will fill a much needed gap and has not been hashed over a million times, obviuosly not the case here! Its bad as there is little to start work with. Hopefully after the first year I’ll get grant money to live in Sweden for a year or so to do some “hands on” research both in the archives and with the Swedish military. But in the meantime I’m fairly sure i can get this proposal written. I’ll post it when its done, see what you guys think.
A PhD student at Kings College in London has been looking at the Danish, Swiss and Swedish air forces in a compartive study and has had great success working with the respective forces, good news:)
Again, thank you everyone!
PS http://www.gripen.com has a great sales video if anyone is interested, kinda funny CGI stuff in part of it;)
Thanks for the links, I am writing the museum to see if they have further info. The problem is i have to find “scholarly” info, ie published books, theses or journal articles to use, but the background info from the websites is very helpful! (just cant cite it)
BTW- great Barrel pics! What a interesting looking aircraft. Here is a gripen pic i got from the export sales site!
Yea, its my PhD proposal so it’ll be quite awhile before the finished form comes out! (that is if i get accepted) Any sources you know of? Just need some basic stuff for the proposal, gotta show I know the groundwork and other research in the area. The proposal doesnt have to be long, around 2,000 words or so, but, as this is the first one i’ve written, is proving difficult.
Ok, i havent read the entire post (its a bit too long to read at the moment) but if you are interested in Soviet and Syrian claims over the Bekka valley in 1982 read “Moscows Lessons from the 1982 Air War in Lebanon” by Benjamin Lambeth, published by RAND corp. Excellent break down of the conflict from both sides and a translation of an article by a Soveit officer that is quite revealing. I have found that to be the best source of info in my studies.
thanks
ethan
Its a Gripen…I have an affinty for many things Swedish and an aversion to some others:)
Yes, you’re right. There is a contract of 40 F-15Ks that still needs to be fulfilled.
When was the last USAF Eagle produced?
Wow…when did the production line close in St Louis? Those airframes are going to be pushing 40 years!
Yep, I’m sure they are still there today albeit with a bit more grass growing around it!…in fact there is the rusted out hulk of a Sherman tank near the end of the runway in Tuzla also, you can see a picture of it in International Air Power Review vol 8 in the article entitled Bosnia:A forgotten peace. Also included in an intereting picture of a OH-58 Kiowa hovering over the wreckage of the MiG-29,that picture was taken in early 2002.
My old roomate was a peacekeeper in Tuzla, Bosnia a couple of years ago and checked out the crash site a few times, got some great pics somewhere, if they differ much from flex297 i’ll post’em.
AirToAir-
I just came across that the other night, must just been put on the web recently as its from the Sept 2004 issue, couldnt find it last month!! Coming in handy with regard to sorting out Balkan MiG-29 kills, along with some old issues of Air Forces Monthly.
OK, got it figured out. What i was reading wasnt online, but is from the offical DoD Gulf War Air Power Survey. It says “As the first F-117 withdrew, thier missions completed. F-15E’s and F-14’s moved up ready to pick off any Iraqi fighters that enemy controllers had scrambled. The enemy aircraft that scrambled were nto only scarce, but badly prepared for the arena of air-to-air combat. According to post- review of F-15E infrared imagery, one MiG-23 crossed in front of a MiG-29 and was shot down by his comrade. The MiG-29 then flew into the ground.” Pg 125 of Vol II
Evidently nobody was credited with this quasi-manuver kill as no F-15E is credited with a kill and all other MiG-29 kills from the 17th of January are credited to two flights of F-15C, Citgo and Pennzoil, both having been alerted to the MiG by AWACS and being killed with BVR fired AIM-7’s.
Just thought i’d clear that up since i started it all. anyways, im going to get a beer.
Thanks Papa Lima! Reading the newspaper on the way to school was one thing, reading that was proving a bit more difficult!
Thanks! Though my swedish isnt stellar, i think i manage! I appreciate it greatly. I bet that AN-2 is the one.