EntropyYou know what i am talking about the truth in latin america we have no militaries with power enough to invade or occupy other countries
Peru, Ecuador, Venezuela and Brazil all have very decent forces.
EntropyWhat about N. Korea vs China? A collapse of NK regime, thousands of refugees fleeing into China. NK in it’s death throes could do some crazy stuff I imagine. Plus, China did, at one point, invade N. Vietnam.
Nobody trusts NK, especially the Chinese.
EntropyNo i am not biased, i will give you soem examples
In my family we have canadians, americans, Polish, Russians, Japanese, Chinese, african americans, Chileans, Costaricans, Venezuelans, native americans, i have personally French, Lebanese, Vasque and Indian Blood So do you think we are not used to be more tolerant?
I can tell you we are homogeneous and we are not looking to make wars.
Mexico my country has only civil aircraft industry and our air force is more of a guard cost than imperialistic arm.
Brazil is the same since Embraer makes more civil aircraft than military.
Chile makes more money by building tailplanes of the ERJ-145 than selling weapons
We are more homogeneous and as an american experiment we are more tolerants and sooner or later less racist and biased.
our politicians are more worried about embezzling the own government than invading other nations.
And frankly man in latin america people is more interested in having fun than politics or invaded countries.
To be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about now.
Carry on.
EntropyNo ignorant of Latin america i am not, because i am latin american and i can tell you we understand each other easily, Do i have friends from other latin american countries yes i do, and more important we do not feel we are from different countries simple we speak the same language, we usually go to the same chuch and have similar culture to say we do not feel extrange to each other
You been watching Sarah Palin in the debates? You seem to be as good at her at deflecting questions…
Just because you are Latin American does not mean you understand the international relationships there. I am Canadian/American and live in Sweden. Do Swedes understand Nordic relationships because they are born there? Hell no. Do most American understand even their own country, let alone its relationship between its neighbors?? Please. Most Canadians still can’t figure out Quebec, let alone relationships outside of their nation.
Being Latin American does not give you carte blanche to be an expert in that field. In fact, it means you are more biased then someone who has no vested interest in the area.
The problems in South America have nothing to do with language, religion etc. They have to do with ideology, to a much greater extent then Europe. Ideology and economics are the decisive factor in Latin American society, not religion or language as it is in other parts of the world.
EntropyNo one said Latin america was paradise, however you know perfectly the mass murder that was WWII has no parallel in the XX century of Latin america.
Pinochet even in his worst years never killed as many people as Hitler did or Stalin did.
So is it about numbers then? If there is a population of say 1,000 that is being persectued. 750 of them are killed. Following you line of thinking, that is not extermination as they numbers aren’t as high as 6 million. You ever hear the saying by Stalin “One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic”? Ask the families of people that were killed during Pinochet or “disappeared” in Argentina. Ask Jacobo Timerman if he thinks that it is fine because the “totals” aren’t as high. Ask the hundreds of thousands killed, maimed and displaced in Guatemala, El Salvador and Columbia if it is ok as the number aren’t “that high”.
Your ignorance of Latin American history is right up there in disgrace as Holocaust deniers.
And by the way, Latin America is not even 200 years old, if you want to see mass war on that continent, give it some time. After all, WWI and WWII took place after Europe had been around for oh…. 1500 years.
Post some more pretty pictures, they are quite good at distracting your ignorance.
EntropyIll informed and alarmistic is your seudo savy position.
Number one the number of people killed in Latin american wars is too small compared to the number of people killed just in WWII in Europe or Asia.
So, let me get this right. You are claiming because there has not been killing/destruction/death on the scale of WWI or WWII Latin/Southern Americans are brotherly and love each other? So following your logic the more highly advanced weaponry, nuclear weapons etc, the more violent the society? So I guess Africa is just a Utopia without parallel? No nukes there, not very sophisticated weaponry. Following your logic it should be far safer then say….oh… SWEDEN.
BTW who said you need military technology for such war and destruction. Ask the people of Rwanda how technologically advanced the ones who committed genocide were. Is Somalia now a hot bed of high tech weaponry because there is widespread violence? You are equating high levels of military technology to the ability to conduct war. Just look at the “Disappeared” of Argentina, or opponents of Pinochet. Maybe FARC, ELN, the Shining Path and others ring a bell?
As for no country wanting to invade/interfere/etc with another country in South American perhaps you should read some of those articles. The Cenepa War was in 1995, the Washington article was from LAST YEAR. You are flat out wrong in your Utopian beliefs about Latin America.
And do not call me friend. It is reserved for the few that are, of which I do not consider you one.
EntropyContrary to your ill informed opinion, in latin america there is such homogenious culture, that most latin americans consider themselves as brothers.
Really? Care to explain this to me then?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenepa_War
or this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paquisha_War
Maybe this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia%E2%80%93Peru_War
Maybe this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_conflict
Or maybe this recent event?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/mar/03/south-america-on-brink-of-war/
Ill informed eh? Calling the kettle black I think.
EntropyTried to find the 1942 crash site of the B17 this last week with no luck.
According to the Army crash report that I read it was in Washington not Oregon. Do you have a better idea of where you were. Road or moutain name?
Whoa… back from the dead.
The crash site was definetly in Oregon, but the B-17 was based at Walla Walla. I’ll try to talk to my brother and see if I can get some more specific info. Been awhile since I have been there;) I’ll also try to find the hi-res pics. Don’t know where they are.
EntropyLancer-
Try finding a book called “Faktabok om gripen” I think there might be an english translation out there as well… Has some good info in it.
EntropyThe last three issues are free on the kkrva.se website, just click on ‘Läs Mer’ under the tidskriften button. Under Innehåll you can find all the other issues for free as well…
Hope this helps. Do some searching for Hugin munin AEW, youäll find some stuff on past Swedish AEW. Still looking through my stuff as that is not my focus and not readily available in my piles of papers;)
EntropyOk guys, sitting down to write you both an email/pm, but for other people interested in the SwAF this is a good reference to start. http://www.kkrva.se/ It’s the Royal Swedish Academy of War Science in Stockholm and is with whom I conduct research. Look under Tidskriften for monthly articles, many of them in English.
For other English resources concerning the SwAF I recommend a RAND report by Richard Bitzinger called Facing the Future, it is a bit dated but has some decent stuff. Also the aforementioned proceedings from the 1996 Linkoping conference is good. Also of use might be Robert Dorr’s book on the Viggen, has a decent history of the SwAF and some tactical info.
There is quite a bit in Swedish and I will elaborate more in my private messages.
EntropyOk guys, just got back from a bike/ski trip down south and will get you guys some info this week.
Sorry for the delay!
Pit, got your PM, will reply soon…
EntropyOK guys, I’ll look through the research stuff this weekend and see what I can find.
Zuyev- I assume you are looking for info on the two old Caravalles, Hugin and Mungin as well as the new SAAB AEWC aircraft?
EntropyCan you read Swedish? I have a TON of info on the Swedish Air Force (for my dissertation) and can pass on some stuff to you (some in English, mostly Swedish). There is a dated RAND report you might want to check out and quite a bit online.
Are you looking for just about the Gripen or Viggen years as well? Are you looking for tactical info, historical etc. Let me know if I can help out.
Also have some stuff on Swedish Air doctrine, need to see if any of it is in English… but see if you can get a copy of “Air Power Doctrine and Technology” Proceedings from a conference in Linköping. Editors Klaus-R Böhme and Carl Linton. Published by the Swedish War College. There is a few articles on the Swedish Air Force in there as well as an interesting article by John Warden. All in English.
EntropyIs no-one reading my posts????
I said on 21 June……
I think in previous threads on this subject, the consensus was the C-47 for piston and the T-33 for jets – as both are still in service with an air arm somewhere in the world.
Ken
No one is reading mine either! The PT-17 is older then the DC-3/C-47!
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