Thats not glue, its spray paint… Geez get your substance abuse up to par.

Why would very low frequency noise make you deaf? Different frequencies are not the problem… very very high freqency noise doesn’t make you deaf either. It is the loudness of noise that makes you deaf, not frequency. Sonic frequency is a band of wave energy… if high or low frequency waves made you deaf than light or gamma ray bursts would make you deaf. (gamma ray bursts would make you deaf but only because they would make you dead).
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You sir, are amazing, I shall default to you on all future opinions.

Everyone on this board has agreed that the Bear is indeed a loud aircraft.
Hence your argument about loudness is rather moot, or need I re-state all the facts in every post to make comprehension a bit easier for you?

I was simply making an observation. Knowing the Soviets disregard for personal safety in other areas during the Cold War, I do not find it a stretch to imagine that there is indeed a shred of truth behind these rumors.

Oh wait, now we are going to have a diatribe concerning the statement “Knowing the Soviets disregard for personal safety in other areas during the Cold War”.

Ok, quick 45 secs search came up with this
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnavai/articles/20050215.aspx

Certainly not the most reliable source… but I’msure there is probably a shred of truth in that the aircraft made at least some crewmembers losing hearing at an accelerated rate.

But I am sure GarryB will have a 3 paragraph tirade about my sources, believeing anything Soviet could do such a thing, etc, waiting for me in the morning.:rolleyes:

Simply obeying instructions once you find yourself in the wrong place would have saved them. The fact that they paniced and ran resulted in the same thing that happens in Hollywood movies when a criminal attempts to run away from a crime scene after a cop tells them to freeze… they get shot.

Nice Garry, love your justification for killing civilians. They were running, certainly they must have been guilty. Sickening.

Never cease to amaze….

I wonder what has more commonality with the F404, the RM12 or the F414.

I was under the impression that the RM12 is a F404. Has Volvo changed it significantly?

In that case you’d need to add a booster on all ordnance launched, plus initial guidance so that it doesn’t hit the plane – remember D-21 and Blackbird?

That brings weight and complexity, and above all useless risk; all of which is unwanted in any plane.

As they say “If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it!”. Gravity never fails, that’s why they use it to drop stuff from planes. :diablo:

While I agree that gravity is never broken, I beg to differ about it never failing! There are tons of vids of bad separations of underwing stores. Just because it supposed to fall, doesn’t mean it will, even if everything mechanically is functioning.

Well, at least one nation in NATO has S-300’s.:diablo:

Will be interesting to see where they end up. They are in Crete now.