After all the restrictions of a CAA approved work area during the re-build phase; what perplexed me in today’s film was that the school group that were visiting XH558 at Bruntingthorpe were allowed inside the cockpit! :confused:
I had another look through the register as I was concerned about this alleged military dominance.:confused:
So I’ve just done a quick check through the approx 320 types of aircraft covered in the 2001 NAHR; Sad or what? 😮 [Note to self get some work done!!]
Civilian types listed – 101 [32%]
Military types listed – 174 [54%]
Joint military / civil types listed – 45 [14%]
IMHO not a bad split when you consider a lot of aviation development is driven by the military applications.
Admittedly when you look at the total number of military airframes the percentage would be more in their favour.
Nevertheless the civilian component is not left out!
The slight military bias is perhaps due to there being more military airframes in preservation when the last edition was published in 2001.
Not sure whether the ship register came before the NAHR and I understand that the railway sector has also considered emulating the NAHR for carriages / rolling stock.
As I’ve said many times before people shouldn’t knock the NAHR it has made the funding bodies start to take aircraft seriously – when used correctly it can help get funding, which in turn gets airframes inside.
Not an uncommon practice to be returning former airfields to their original use – part of the recycled concrete runways from Bircotes [RAF Worksop??] were crushed and used as hardcore for the approach routes to Newark’s second hangar.
Out of interest there was only one Andover on the 2001 NAHR – XS639 at Cosford and listed as Significant. This entry has the annotation “*Museum aircraft only. Still in operation”
As for ‘lost-airliners’ please search here for my previous comments on that subject!
As I understand things the Blackpool Andover has been ‘hawked’ about previously but not everyone has the resources to take on everything!!;)
As a very quick and basic guide; and apologies to the complier of the NAHR!
Points are awarded to the airframes under 9 headings:
World significance
National significance
Operational / Technical significance
Social significance
Survival status
Condition
Museum / collection
Environment
Local significance
To be awarded:
National Benchmark status – an airframe needs 7 or more points
Significant status – an airframe needs 5 or more points
Noteworthy status – an airframe needs up to 4 points
So for example an aircraft could move to a higher status if it is moved inside, or down in status if it were moved outside.
Likewise status could change if an aircraft is moved from museum to museum, or taken off the NAHR if it moved into private ownership and off display.
Scorpion89 – Highly unlikely!! 😮
Keithnewsome – The 1 to 6 pages mentioned in my previous post cover the methodology, which does take into account some of the national and local factors that you mentioned; sadly the document is not online.
I have voiced my views about the NAHR many times and I have also copied items from the NAHR for people to help them try and understand its operation. Whilst I do not wish to go over old ground I would however make the following observations:
The basic methodology as explained in pages 1 to 6 of the September 2001 edition seems to me to be sound. However I acknowledge that it doesn’t include every airframe and I know that it doesn’t meet with universal approval in the UK aviation museum sector.
It is a “Living Document” as was highlighted by Ken Ellis on page 6, which sadly hasn’t been renewed as often as originally envisaged. As such it does rely on accurate feedback and updates from the aviation movement, perhaps this might be a slight flaw.
Hopefully everyone will get a more up to date idea when the next edition is published. I believe that this should be made available to everyone through publication in a PDF format on the BAPC website. I will ask the museum that I am a member of to lobby for this through their membership of that organisation.
I still maintain it is a vital publication that has a proven record of helping the independent / volunteer managed museums to secure funding from bodies such as the Heritage Lottery Fund.
No problem Tom, pleased to help!:)
The museum produces a quarterly newsletter and a Virtual Museum CD ROM, both of these have featured several stories about Canadian aircrew that served / trained with 1661 HCU at RAF Winthorpe [where the museum is now based].
These also help educate the public and children about the wartime activities at Winthorpe. One of the more recent stories featured a Canadian who went on to serve with 9 Squadron and I think that he is now in Saskatoon.
Newark’s former loanee – December 2003, being prepared for its trip to the USA.
At Newark they have a wide ranging offering that relates to the National Curriculum; they state mainly Key Stage 1 & 2, but the Local Heroes item moves to higher levels; see details below
The NAHSI courses cover a range of topics and can also be carried out at local museums. The following link worked last time I looked….
I believe that there may be a Conservation Course run somewhere in the South of England – East Or West Sussex comes to mind; but more costly than the free NAHSI courses!
There was also the AN2 at Newark for a short time… What happened to her?
Sold on by its owner in late 2003; dismantled and shipped out to the USA by container in early 2004. I understood that this was due to UK Permit problems!
I’ve seen pictures of the hangared ones at Hawarden – taken at the same time as Newark’s MiGs were taken out of there on loan. Not sure who took the pictures though!:(
Its a shame Newark couldn’t get hold of it on loan, at least people would be able to see it.
Its a big old brute when you stand next to it!
What are you doing Joe – starting such rumours!!
Can’t see it on their aircraft list … http://www.newarkairmuseum.org/aircraftlist.htm
La Couple is excellent and don’t forget the RFC Memorial site at St Omer.