Since when did Hapag have A300’s ?
Er, for quite a while…..
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0993438/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1001669/M/
-Dazza
Just repair it, so it looks visually ok and place it in a museum. Best option for this costly plane.
Highly Unlikely, I can’t see the RAF losing a Typhoon to a museum before the first frontline squadron has even stood-up! 😮
If it is found to be beyond economical repair it will most likely become a spares source and be stripped of every usable component.
-Dazza
Indeed we did, I’m still having sleepless nights about it! 😉
-Dazza
1. Did anyone else notice that the frefueling probe wasn’t retracted?
The refuelling probe was extended to disable the ALSR system (Automatic Low Speed Recovery) which would have prevented the the pilot landing with one – or all – of the landing gear units not down and locked if it had remained engaged.
-Dazza
Pedant mode on:
Its spelt Leuchars, not Leuchers.
Pedant mode off:
-Dazza 😉
I give up, until the official report is published none of us knows what really happened.
Lets just agree to disagree! 😉
-Dazza
But it is not when one of the gear fails, thus adding to the confusion and requiring extra steps to disable this feature. When the pilot asks the gears to go down, it’s obvious he’s about to land and the ALSR should then be automatically disabled even if the gears fail to go down for some reason.
OPIT, you’re still missing the point of the ALSR system, one of the functions of the system is to prevent inadvertant gear-up landings, if as you suggest the system should disengage when gear-down is selected regardless of wether the gear is down or not completely defeats the object of the system. Obviously if the pilot selects gear-down and all three units extend and lock then the system will disable because landing parameters have been met, in the event of one or all of the units failing to extend and lock the system remains live and prevents landing, in this case the nose gear failed to extend meaning that if the pilot was to continue to try and land without first overiding the system the ALSR would have initiated a climb preventing a forced landing.
-Dazza
….F-14D are currently planed to be kept in service till 2015……
Wishful thinking I’m afraid, the remaining two F-14 squadrons begin transitioning to the Sub Par Hornet this year, last time I checked the official retirement date for the Tomcat is September.
-Dazza
OPIT, I can’t see what point you’re trying to make, ALSR is disabled when all three landing gear units are down and locked, in this case the nose gear failed to extend which kept the system ‘live’ to prevent landing in this configuration. The same would happen if either of the main gear failed to extend, its not just confined to the nose gear, with the system being kept ‘live’ by the failed nose gear the pilot disengaged the system manually enabling him to land the jet without ALSR cutting in and sending him climbing skywards again.
-Dazza
OPIT, if you read my post properly I cleary state that the gear was NOT down and locked, as Jacko has pointed out the system is disabled when the gear is lowered, the nose gear failed to lower so the system was still engaged which is why the pilot overode the system by extending the refuelling probe, otherwise the ALSRS would have intervened and sent the aircraft skyward again. Like I said the system would have worked flawlessly – unlike the nose gear! 😉
-Dazza
As of January 26th launches were still taking place.
F-14 final deployment pics
-Dazza
Such “computer knows best” systems don’t take into account unusual emergency situations… which can lead to the computer causing an otherwise avoidable crash!
In the case of this crash the computers would have performed flawlessly, by not allowing the aircraft to land in the configuration it was in – nose gear not down and locked – the pilots had to manually overide the system in order to ‘crash’ otherwise they’d be stooging around the sky until the fuel ran out whereupon they would have to leave the aircraft taking the furniture with them!
By force landing it at least the fault can be traced and the aircraft (most likely) repaired and returned to service, so maybe too much automation isn’t always a bad thing! 😉
-Dazza
I have heard that the refueling probe was out to inhibit an auto-go round, which the autopilot would of initiated due to the nose gear not being down.
Quite right, Automatic Low Speed Recovery is the name of the system.
-Dazza
Ouch!!!! I guess those EJ200s disagreed with having lumps of airframe and runway sucked through them! 😉
-Dazza
The An-225 is indeed alive and well, it was in EMA for a few days in December. Heres a (low quality) picture of 82060 I took through the fence on 2/12/05.
-Dazza