Interesting that about the Merlins, as the BA and BSW/BSF thread systems differ in more than just diameter and pitch, having different thread angles (60 degrees and 55 degrees, from memory) and different spanner sizes.
If you work on the basis that if something can be installed wrongly, then it will be, and also that there is no underestimating human stupidity, then Merlin mechanics must have had an, er, interesting time. 1/4 BSF and 0BA aren’t that far apart.
Just to confuse matters, 0BA has a 1mm pitch and a 0BA nut fits a 6mm metric coarse thread – rather loosely and with much recuced strength. Therein lies a particularly nasty pitfall. Don’t ask me how I know this…William
Not sure if this rule of thumb carries through to other types but on the Rolls Royce Avon particularly you go down to 3/16 in BSF sizes and then step down to 2BA and then 4BA etc for the smaller stuff. I’ve never encountered 0 BA yet to be honest? As long as you follow that rule then the pitfalls can be avoided.
I would guess that if you are fitting SAE fasteners where they were originally BSW you are changing the basic design of the Aircraft and therefore it may not be considered airworthy unless a proper design change is submitted and approved?
BSW threads are stronger than SAE threads size for size due to the thread shape and so it may be compromising the strength of the joint by substitution.
I’m not sure if it was common practice to mix but i would doubt it? I’ve not come across a mix on anything I’ve worked with.
hope that helps?
Regards
Chris
i really do think a Canberra should stay airworthy… these amazing birds have done 50 years service… the goverment and RAF should create a Canberra historic flight… that is the least they can do…they have no excuse at the momment as there is still a few in flyable condition…..
All I can say is…keep your eyes on the skies, we are doing everything possible to return WK163 to the air for some shows this year and will try our best to keep her flying for as many years as we can…..having said that, if the Government want to give us a bung that would be most welcome 😀
Chris
Thank you for info do you think BBMF will add any more WWII planes?. I hate are goverment all they want is more foreign workers and loads and loads off new homes and riping are lovely countryside up into roads and homes they dont care about are british Heritage its time we act back and do it now before its to late 😡 😡
James
James
I’m not sure what the BBMF will do to be honest but like I said, i think cost will always be a driving factor now.
From my own experiences recently with our Canberra, it’s been made perfectly clear to me that it’s down to the likes of us now…..Even we have needed tremendous (and most welcome) support from Air Atlantique and previously The Waltons at Bruntingthorpe without either, Wk163 would have been cut up for scrap at Farnborough long ago.
I don’t mind a bit and would put in every second of my spare time if it were needed to keep these flying but at the same time, i think it’s very sad and a total insult to British engineering excellence and British Heritage that the support isn’t there from where it should be.
Regards
Chris
Could the RAF not rename the BBMF to RAF Memorial Flight and have a Canberra in its flight.Or does it cost too much too fly it if not we have to stick with AA Canberra.
James
Hi James…
Regrettably, money always seems to be the top issue with keeping these old machines in the sky. The whole country seems to be profit driven these days and unfortunately, the historically important suffers as a result.
I’m sure the RAF will continue to uphold the BBMF as a matter of national significance but I’m afraid I can’t see them adding extras like the Canberra and incurring the extra cost. They would probably end up being maintained by a civil approved company anyway?
It’s also very difficult to get sponsorship as you need to provide some return for the sponsors, the Sea Vixen being a prime example.
I’m not knocking the Sea Vixen in the slightest and i’m sure that 90% of people would rather see it fly in it’s Red Bull paint scheme than sit and rot, but you can’t fill the skys with ex-military aircraft plastered in Formula One style advertising and expect everyone to go home happy? (can you?)
It’s astounding how big OEM’s will turn their backs on their own heritage when their very small input, could make such a huge difference to what you see at the airshows.
Again it’s down to the few people who give their time freely, to support these wonderful and historically significant machines to keep them aloft, and just as importantly to keep them in pristine static condition, for generations to enjoy.
I urge anyone who has, even for just a minute, thought about volunteering…don’t think about it…go and do it! The future of Britain’s Heritage, be it aviation or otherwise, is in your hands!
(109ster steps off his soapbox and quietly goes off to polish a No10 Mk2 Canberra Starter Cartridge case 😀 )
Still think it looks like a wind farm though!
Love how they’ve strapped them on the truck with ropes btw….Right across the blades!
Good effort!
Looks like they are going for a service to me. Notice the leading edges have all the paint eroded away? I’ve only ever seen props transported like that before or at least variable pitch props. The internals are quite complex with the pitch change and feathering mechanisms so I would think they would be assembled and disassembled at the manufacturers overhaul shop and not at the airport / airfield.
Chris
Wind Farm? 😀
Hi…
Click this link to take you to a selection of colour charts. http://www.indfinspec.demon.co.uk/colour_charts.htm
The BS381C chart has all the common Aircraft colors (ie 633 RAF Blue/Grey, 693 Aircraft Grey, 537 Signal Red, 298 Olive Drab) some of which I remember were used on the 1950’s jets like the Canberra so I’m sure this is probably what you are looking for.
Both the BS charts differ from your RAL charts as you will see.
Hope that is of use?
Regards
Chris
Jimbo the Jetplane? 😀
The Mukkinese Battle-horn = a film starring Peter Sellers and Spike Milligan.
Oh well….guess you had to have seen the film 😮
ok….so it’s not one of them then? 😀
PS…..Aeroshell Turbine Oil 750…for the bonus point?? 🙂
It’s some kind of camouflaged Head Gear used for hiding in a vat of Stilton Cheese?
I know what it is Alan …but I’ve got a massively unfair advantage over the forum members so I’ll keep stummmm…. 😉
Chris
It’s the periscope Shroud from the “Beatles” Yellow Submarine!!
(upside down)
🙂