It would also be interesting to see just how stealthy it is against IRST and from the side.

F-35 actually has infrared reduction measure too , IRST can also be jam by LRF , you can also reduce detection range of enemy’s IRST by fly at lower altitude or near cloud,while It true that no aircraft is stealthy from the side ( they all have massive beam aspect RCS ) , how can you stay at their side aspect all the time ?
https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/stealth-techniques-and-benefits/
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?134882-F-35-News-Multimedia-amp-Discussion-thread-(2015)-Take-two&p=2284317#post2284317

The BVR argument for the F35 is a lot of wishful thinking. We don’t engage BVR and it will rely on the ability of those missiles to actually hit if we did.

I think the WVR argument is wishful thinking too , a superior turn rate of 1-2 degrees per seconds doesnt really matter that much any more since the birth of HOBS missiles , and actually doubt that Rafale , Typhoon , Gripen really turn that much better than F-35

It’s always thew same brochure like discussion: S-400 is just a part of a very complex multilayered, extremely mobile AD Systems. Several different SAM, lots of radars in different bands, fighters and so on.
Same is with the air strike, there will not be just the F-35 but all assets of USAF or USN supporting it…and no, low RCS alone is actually a no go against update AD system, it would make things a lot easier but it would need same kind of supports of any other attack plane.

even in that case i think it still much better to have small RCS

https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/stealth-techniques-and-benefits/

How it connect with what I wrote?
I newer used the term transparent, so i just don’t know from where have you taken it out RAM applyed on those points with the most RCS

I think everyone here agree that Su-35 has RAM while su-27 dont , however to me the discussion here show atleast one of you guy believe that radar cross section reduction is as simple as swap out all metal parts in airframes and replaces it with radar transparent material

, radar blocker and small frame changes are just that was needed, not just for Su-35 but generally for all 4,5 planes that went re-designed for reduce their observability.
For the rest also the F-15SE Silent Eagle only notable structural variation is the 15% inclination of rudders, nothing more, still none doubt about it or Rafale D or F/A-18E, all planes entered service before Su-35.

Su-35 have neither the radar blocker or a S shape duct or a canted tail , these are particularly important features to reduce radar cross section , in terms of outer shape , i got to agree with mig-31 that Su-35 and su-27 is quite similar
I dont think anyone actually take the F-15SE serious however the outer structure modification between F-15SE and F-15E still quite significant ( radar blocker , canted tail , internal weapon bays ) compare to the modification between Su-35 and Su-27

The deterreance value is already practically zero if it has to face mobile Brahmos-2/Zircon class missiles in saturated attack. larger industrial capacity mean practically round the clock attack.

AFAIK , Brahmos-2 is still largely in development stages , arguably even earlier stages compares to LRASM , and while the speed seem impressive for an antiship missiles , it nothing special compares to ballistic missiles like Scud that Iraq used in Gulf war

. If Russians fight, they won’t care about economy. .

I have no word

Russia manufactures planes. Turkey does not. Russia can build thousands of planes in times of war. Turkey cannot build a single plane in times of war. Japan lost to the US in WW2 because its industrial capability was less than that of the US. In any case, Turkey cannot afford a war with Russia.

Neither of them have the economy to sustain a long war , do you remember how much USA spending only to fight the guys in cave ?

I think all of you are arguing a moot point , both side will have AWACs and ground radar , neither F-16 or Su-35 is stealth , and we all know neither Russia and Turkey will want to escalate this in to a full scale war , so forget about silently attack and shoot down aircraft of the otherside , that will not happen

The Russian UAV goes a step further by integrating a sophisticated electronic warfare suite onto the aircraft. According to Flight Global, “Mikheev says KRET is providing a deeply-integrated electronic warfare system that not only provides a protective electromagnetic sphere around the aircraft to counter air-to-air missiles, but also cloaks it from radars.” Thus, if true, Russia’s new UAV would be able to detect America’s stealth aircraft without itself being detected. That could be a deadly combination.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-china-russia-plan-crush-americas-stealth-aircraft-13708

standard for journalists seem low these days, remind me of the time when a journalist said a Challenge can survive a nuclear bomb