again, being network-dependant means being US-dependant… that is, say goodbye to your sovereignity which is, after all, what the acquisition of fighters all about…
It’s not what the acquisition of F-35 is about. It’s no wonder Norway is willing to cut flight hours and reduce to a single base in order to operate a handful of F-35s. The point isn’t to defend the nation, it’s to satisfy the pen-pushers in Brussels. So long as the box labelled ‘F-35’ is ticked, that’s all that matters.
And folks wonder why NATO nations have such low defence budgets and about 10 days worth of munitions on hand. :rolleyes:
The thing that will eventually seperate such systems, would be the INSIDE, the software, the architectur brain and the sensor suite.
Yes, yes, but that is all very boring to lay observer, at least once you get past the first capability/acronym layer (e.g. ‘has LPI’). :p
US is not going in for such aircraft (X-45, X47 type) so its upto europe and who so ever is next to make maximum use .
Wot? No intention of following X-47 with production aircraft? :confused:
It kinda sucks that all these aircraft look the same. Although it certainly demonstrates that similar requirements paired with similar levels of technology generate similar solutions.
I wonder who’ll be next to join the UCAV game: Japan, Korea, Turkey… Brazil? Does Israel have something in this armed/subsonic/turbofan/VLO category?
Russians don’t seem to think rear visibility matters so much, and T-50 is actually intended to WVR.
Didn’t Venezuela only turn to Flankers after US refused to supply parts for F-16s?
There is no fighter-bomber, cruise missle, etc. that can come close to delivering the mass tons of bombs a Blackjack, B-2 or even B-52 can deliver.
If you are a grunt on the ground and need heavy air support you would be exceptionally glad they still exist.
With Blackjack especially I’d be worried it was about to drop a nuke or carpet bomb my own position… :p
But remember a huge chunk of Indonesian defence spending goes on maintaining the garrison units whose main purpose is keeping the peace.
The other thing is Indonesian procurement is schizophrenic, corrupt and innefficient (remember when they brought most of the non-functional East German Navy) and has been since the late 1960s with no signs of improvement.
I suspect their military capability let alone force projection will not improve much in the next 30 odd years.
After all they’ve not really increased capability in the period 1980-2013, especially when compared to their neighbours.
China has similar internal security issues (although handled and funded separately from the military), is also heavy on personnel, and corruption is an enormous challenge for them as well, yet they manage regardless.
It could be that Indonesia will remain something of a backwater, but I feel that people tend to overestimate the influence of such local factors on the underlying structural picture. Size matters, in other words. But to argue against my own point I offer the case of Mexico, which is projected to be in the same 2nd tier (by economic size) category as Brazil, Russia, Japan and Indonesia; yet one has difficulty crediting it with, well, any sort of coordinated national capability whatsoever. That said I don’t know anything about modern Mexico beyond what I get from American sources, which probably skews my perspective somewhat.
One last, seemingly random point: a nation’s ambitions tend to lie in accordance with its resources. China in the 1980s, for instance, did not aspire to project power as it did today. America did not attempt to run the world until it discovered that it could. Indonesia to date hasn’t had the resources to do much of anything, but once awakened to its potential that could well change. And given the historic animosity with China, I don’t think there’ll be any lack of prodding in future.
Could but 2030 isn’t really that far off…….
In Scooter-world, when discussing the long-term prospects of the F-35 one is not allowed to consider the entry of new fighter aircraft such as KF-X into the market, yet one may freely speculate as to countries that are presently bankrupt and/or having no interest in F-35 eventually acquiring the aircraft, and radical redefinitions of requirements amongst existing customers.
There aren’t enough rolleyes for this stuff folks. :rolleyes:
Seeing as we’re discussing Indonesia again: going by the latest projections from PwC, Indonesian military spending should surpass Australia’s around 2025, assuming their military spending as a proportion of GDP remains below ours.
By 2050 Indonesia will likely be outspending Australia 3:1 or better.
There isn’t a single turn in its thousands of years of history that Greeks surrendered against ANY enemy no matter how strong!
Letting go of hatred and using those resources for more productive ends isn’t a loss, but a gain. The problem, of course, is that there’s never any shortage of those willing to stoke the fires, even — or perhaps especially — when their own world is collapsing around them.
P.S. If you’re worried about surrendering to anyone, maybe look at what EU bankers are doing to your country. :rolleyes:
Your probably don’t understand things very well, perhaps you have some equally good suggestions for the Israelis and the Palestinians?
Not really; they’re both screwed. Palestinians because they can’t resist the tyranny of Israel, and the Israelis because this whole enterprise is steadily stripping away the dignity of the Jewish people to reveal the skeletal workings of power beneath. A state is a merciless beast with a logic entirely of its own, and it is consuming the Jews.
I think Turkey should seize the opportunity by offering to backstop Greece (with minimal conditions designed to shame greedy Germany/etc.) in exchange for a favourable settlement. In the short-term it’d involve real sacrifice, in the longer term it could reshape the entire picture not only in terms of Greece and Turkey, but Turkey and the EU also, and indeed Turkey’s ‘soft power’ more broadly. Think of it as a miniature Marshall Plan. Bold, daring … history books are made of such stuff.
Ok, back to reality and rule by bureaucrats. :p
Time to wave goodbye to Greece then. Mind you, I’m not sure being ruled from Anatolia would actually be much worse than being ruled by German bankers. At least Muslims don’t charge interest. :p
unless you are a firm believer of the idea that since Greeks were “careless” with their economy they should now suffer the loss of large parts of their country to an invader!
No, that’s what you seem to believe. In your world, if Greece doesn’t keep up then Turkey will attack. Well, Greece isn’t going to keep up; in case you haven’t noticed the country is broke whilst Turkey moves from strength-to-strength. :rolleyes:
…but seriously, TsAGI’s chief did state around 2007 that they were ‘consultants’ for 2 Chinese fighters.
That doesn’t necessarily mean anything like Kamov’s apparent involvement. Could just be third-party validation of Chinese design work.
How old is that chart? I mean, I know it doesn’t take into account anything so prosaic as procurement budgets, but how terrible an omission that is depends on when the chart was published. :p