The gung-ho let’s-fight-Hitler sentiments in this thread are rather amusing. The UK’s recent circumspection was certainly notable, but we all knew it was a passing phase, as with an alcoholic experiencing brief and unwelcome bouts of sobriety.
In any case I’m sure we can look forward to the UK pouring more of its blood, treasure, and dwindling prestige into another failed campaign that only serves to alienate folks both at home and abroad.
The road to global irrelevance is paved with a thousand steps.
The horror and trauma of these attacks is beyond imagining. I grieve not only for those who died this day, but for all those who will die and suffer in the days ahead. I fear the consequences of these attacks for the French nation, for the European project, for all that is noblest and best and humanity. I can only hope my fear is misplaced.
May the dead rest in peace, and those responsible be brought swiftly to justice.
The horror and trauma of these attacks is beyond imagining. I grieve not only for those who died this day, but for all those who will die and suffer in the days ahead. I fear the consequences of these attacks for the French nation, for the European project, for all that is noblest and best and humanity. I can only hope my fear is misplaced.
May the dead rest in peace, and those responsible be brought swiftly to justice.
Wouldn’t be at all surprising if the Air Force had opted for the higher cost and higher performance proposal despite stated program objectives. This is, after all, what they did with that other great economy-focused program in the JSF too. The US armed forces are always convinced that infinite money is just around the corner (and they could well be right too, but that’s another story).
Not being an imperialist power, Russia doesn’t have to worry about such things.
What stops them from pursuing licensed production of the C-130J today?
The fact that MTA is five years closer than it was and KC-390 is now visible on the horizon. C-130J is still an option, but no longer the obviously correct choice that it was.
That’s the issue though- India can threaten to withdraw and I don’t think it will change anything from the Russian side, since given current priorities they are in no position to go faster on the Il-214…..unless India wants to bankroll the project to a much greater degree in the near term. RuMOD wants the lighter and heavier side of things taken care of first, before Il-214.
That could well be so, in which case India needs to realistically assess the costs, benefits, and timelines of MTA in the context of national budgets, operational and strategic requirements, and the available alternatives, chiefly C-130J and KC-390.
It could be the case that the slow progress of MTA actually dovetails with Indian budgets and requirements and the public perception that India has been led up the garden path is off base. It could also be the case that Russia has previously made promises and failed to deliver, and if so this should certainly bear on subsequent negotiations. I would not suggest abandoning a (now) sensible acquisition solely due to previous bad behaviour (which is why I would not e.g. cancel Australia’s F-35 acquisition at this juncture, even though it was certainly foolhardy to enter into that program in the first place), but certainly India should demand accountability going forward in the form of regular milestones, associated payments, penalty clauses, and so forth.
It’s not complacency, it’s the fact that Il-214 is about the 20th priority in Russia at the moment. There is no money to go in all directions at once, and it doesn’t seem like RuAF is desperate to get their hands on the type anytime soon.
But this is exactly what I am referring to. Russia is comfortable placing Il-214 well down the priority list because it knows it has India’s custom in the bag. India needs to alter Russia’s sense of priorities — something that the prospect of losing a significant proportion of funding and orders for an aircraft it does want to build at some point could well do.
With some projects (e.g. FGFA) the case is so strong and the options so few that Russia can more or less get away with treating India however it likes. This is not the case with MTA. There is C-130J and there is KC-390. India has options and therefore leverage and should use it to secure her interests.
MTA project seems to be in serious trouble. Unlike FGFA where it’s take it or leave, there are way too many options available for MTA, the most serious one being C-130J itself, half the structure of which TASL already makes in India.
I agree that MTA was a fool’s errand and that licensed production of C-130J in significant numbers would’ve been a far more sensible option were it taken five years ago, instead of the paltry direct import order that was placed. But that was then and this is now.
There is probably some utility in taking a big order away from Russia to prevent it from become too complacent in its dealings with India. Is MTA the right place to do it? I would be tempted to opt for Latin American outreach with KC-390.
The proposal to re-engine India’s Il-76s with PS-90 is clearly related to Il-214/MTA and probably to technology transfer and Indian production/maintenance/overhaul facilities due to be established under that project.
Given that India already has A-50s with PS-90 (the three Phalcon AEW airframes) they have first-hand experience with both engine types and their operational characteristics. They’re in a better position to judge whether such re-engining is sensible than anyone else outside Russia.
If India re-engines its current Il-76s and Il-78s this will allow them to retire the D-30 support and logistics chain entirely, whilst bolstering orders and economies of scale for PS-90 with, one assumes, significant domestic involvement.
If Indian Il-76s are re-engined with PS-90, that will add to the Phalcon AEW aircraft already using PS-90 and also the Il-214 fleet, if and when that ever eventuates.
Too early to say that KF-X/IF-X project going no where simply because US do not want to transfer 4 critical tech. Those 4 critical tech now being offered by European suppliers as alternative if US continue not to give in. SAAB already offered tech transfer for AESA. While for Indonesia, the building facilities for KFX/IFX sites in DI/IAe still on going. Both ROK and Indonesian present administrations still comitted to the projects.
Indeed. Indonesia should not put all its eggs in the KF-X basket — one of the reasons I think it should go for Gripen E/F with local industry involvement — but nor should it abandon the project at the first sign of trouble!
Admittedly the recent issue with the US refusing technology transfer does not look good for Korea. The Korean establishment should already be familiar with how the US operates from its experience with the T-50 (ROK) project. You don’t hand the US a contract for F-35 and then ask for technology transfer — once you have given away all your leverage — you make the technology transfer part of the F-35 acquisition!
Looking forward to the cost escalations on this.
Indonesia needs a lot of things (in the military-industrial realm) more than it needs a handful of 5th gen hanger queens.
Buy Gripen, stick with KF-X, build a modern and professional air force whilst encouraging local industry involvement and development to the greatest extent practicable. A decade from now Indonesia can look at the state of the market (and progress with KF-X) and consider T-50, F-35, and whatever else is on the market and fits operational and politico-strategic objectives.
If Russia doesn’t sell, China will.
If Iran plays things right they could benefit considerably from the attentions and mutual anxieties of Russia, China, and India in the years and decades ahead.
To say nothing of the benefits of probably being the safest long-term bet in an increasingly unstable region (the “regime” may change or even “fall” but it’s a safe bet that the Iranian nation will still be there at the end of it. Persia prevails.)