jackehammondIs it even the C-802?
I would’ve thought a single C-802 would cripple if not sink a frigate class ship with 165 kg of HE warhead…
Dear Member,
That should have been the first clue to us members who have covered military affairs for over 20 years (I have written two articles on ASM one on the Otomat and the other on Sea Skua). The C-801-802 ASM are in the Exocet and Harpoon class. Remember what the Exocet did to larger British warships in the Falklands and the USS Stark in the Persian Gulf. I mean even if it did not sink a much smaller corvette it should have killed a large number of the crew and left the ship burning like hell.
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondThat black one is indeed a Tomahawk.
On the YJ-83 front stage, it’s hard to comment on that without getting more information about the missile. The length and size of it, could perhaps support a secondary rocket stage. It was interesting to see the mockup at least.
Dear Member,
You are 100% right. In fact it is the one hanging at the USAF Musem at Fairborne, Ohio, USA.
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondI posted the 1st pic sometime back…..
Seems to be of the C-301. There is a small difference compared to the other 3 pics. There are those small fins on the nose………
Any news on the C-301?? When was it abandoned? Is it completely abandoned???
Dear Member,
Can’t you see what the C-301 is? It is based on the British Bloodhound air to air missile. Most likely secretly acquired from Singapore after the British pulled out.
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondExcept on the playground, 10 times as many innocents nearby don’t get killed when the bully responds.
Dear Member,
What you have stated is what privately many in the West military call “The Islamic Kings-X”. Basically that anyone (nonMoslem) going to war with a Moslem state can not fight wars as wars are fought. For example during the Gulf War the Moslem world was upset because Israel was threatening to retaliate over the launch of SCUDs and the US was bombing retreating Iraq Army units, etc.
But the following explains what the Moslem world does not understand and should be made to understand (ie along with the fact you can not reject the Geneva Convention 1949 and then demand other abide by it).
“This is so little in the spirit of surrender as to seem like mockery of
triumph. If steps were taken to curb them, they had only themselves to
blame. War is not a game where there is everything to win and nothing to
loose. Those who appeal to the law of force should not complain if the
decision is final.” (Joshua L. Chamberlain as governor of Maine when the
defeated South yelped about the purposed 13th and 14th Amendment to the
Constitution and wanted to return to the STAUS QUO and reconstruction was impossed on those states trying to return the blacks to quasi-slavery).
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondExcept on the playground, 10 times as many innocents nearby don’t get killed when the bully responds.
Dear Member,
What you have stated is what privately many in the West military call “The Islamic Kings-X”. Basically that anyone (nonMoslem) going to war with a Moslem state can not fight wars as wars are fought. For example during the Gulf War the Moslem world was upset because Israel was threatening to retaliate over the launch of SCUDs and the US was bombing retreating Iraq Army units, etc.
But the following explains what the Moslem world does not understand and should be made to understand (ie along with the fact you can not reject the Geneva Convention 1949 and then demand other abide by it).
“This is so little in the spirit of surrender as to seem like mockery of
triumph. If steps were taken to curb them, they had only themselves to
blame. War is not a game where there is everything to win and nothing to
loose. Those who appeal to the law of force should not complain if the
decision is final.” (Joshua L. Chamberlain as governor of Maine when the
defeated South yelped about the purposed 13th and 14th Amendment to the
Constitution and wanted to return to the STAUS QUO and reconstruction was impossed on those states trying to return the blacks to quasi-slavery).
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondI predict that by sundown Sunday the Israelis will have established a buffer zone 50 km into southern Lebanon and Southern Syria. Syria will be included in retaliation for acting as the conduit for Iranian arms and money to the Hezbollah terrorists attacking Haifa from southern Lebanon. If the Syrians want to go hard, that Israelis will be sitting in Damascus a week from today. If the Iranians want to send “volunteers”, we’ll see F-15Is over Tehran and Qom in 3 weeks.
Dear Member,
That is the last thing Israel wants to do. It is what Hezbollah wants. They are ready with sucide antiarmor units, etc. Again, they may but I doubt it. More likely they will invade Syrias border area with Lebanon and seal it off. Also, how would the F-15I fly to Iran?
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondI predict that by sundown Sunday the Israelis will have established a buffer zone 50 km into southern Lebanon and Southern Syria. Syria will be included in retaliation for acting as the conduit for Iranian arms and money to the Hezbollah terrorists attacking Haifa from southern Lebanon. If the Syrians want to go hard, that Israelis will be sitting in Damascus a week from today. If the Iranians want to send “volunteers”, we’ll see F-15Is over Tehran and Qom in 3 weeks.
Dear Member,
That is the last thing Israel wants to do. It is what Hezbollah wants. They are ready with sucide antiarmor units, etc. Again, they may but I doubt it. More likely they will invade Syrias border area with Lebanon and seal it off. Also, how would the F-15I fly to Iran?
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondDear Members,
Since there have been posted a few cartoons of the A-10A I thought maybe the members would like to see one of the first ones. It is from AFJI January 1983 issue. AFJI was a great publication till a very nasty divorce forced it to be sold towards the end of the century (ie it started publication as ARMY & NAVY Journal in 1863). I have permission to reprint anything no-profit before any issue after sale. ENJOY.
Jack E. Hammond
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jackehammondyeah,its an “N” model.You can tell by the extended tailpipe and the cranked refueling probe.
Dear Members,
The air to air Gabriel was developed for Argentina after the Falklands War. I don’t believe it is operational with the IDF-AF. Also, I have a file photo buried gawd knows where of the F-4 fitted with the Gabriel. It was mainly for export show though for nations like Turkey.
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondI predict that by sundown Sunday the Israelis will have established a buffer zone 50 km into southern Lebanon and Southern Syria. Syria will be included in retaliation for acting as the conduit for Iranian arms and money to the Hezbollah terrorists attacking Haifa from southern Lebanon. If the Syrians want to go hard, that Israelis will be sitting in Damascus a week from today. If the Iranians want to send “volunteers”, we’ll see F-15Is over Tehran and Qom in 3 weeks.
Dear Member,
It would be harder than imagined. For one after you come off of the Golan Heights going north you have the anti-Lebanon mountains on one side and the lava fields (a no-go area for tanks, etc) on the road to Damascus. It is a choke point which artillery rockets with bomblets and AT mines can easily close off. Not to say Israel can not do it, but it will be extremely hard going with causalties.
As to raiding Iran. How? I wish someone would look at a map and check Israelis air to air refueling ability. To reach Iran the only way they can do it without passing over other territory is to go down the Red Sea, around Yemen and Oman and up the Persian Gulf. And for the record I doubt, Turkey, Jordan, Syria, Iraq or Saudi Arabia will give over flight rights.
More likely Israel will use the Jericho III ballistic rocket with a conventional warheads.
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondI predict that by sundown Sunday the Israelis will have established a buffer zone 50 km into southern Lebanon and Southern Syria. Syria will be included in retaliation for acting as the conduit for Iranian arms and money to the Hezbollah terrorists attacking Haifa from southern Lebanon. If the Syrians want to go hard, that Israelis will be sitting in Damascus a week from today. If the Iranians want to send “volunteers”, we’ll see F-15Is over Tehran and Qom in 3 weeks.
Dear Member,
It would be harder than imagined. For one after you come off of the Golan Heights going north you have the anti-Lebanon mountains on one side and the lava fields (a no-go area for tanks, etc) on the road to Damascus. It is a choke point which artillery rockets with bomblets and AT mines can easily close off. Not to say Israel can not do it, but it will be extremely hard going with causalties.
As to raiding Iran. How? I wish someone would look at a map and check Israelis air to air refueling ability. To reach Iran the only way they can do it without passing over other territory is to go down the Red Sea, around Yemen and Oman and up the Persian Gulf. And for the record I doubt, Turkey, Jordan, Syria, Iraq or Saudi Arabia will give over flight rights.
More likely Israel will use the Jericho III ballistic rocket with a conventional warheads.
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondSo Hizbollah threaten to move the captives to Iran and the Israeli’s destroy the runway of the airport ha ha…maybe that will teach them to keep their mouths shut next time 😀
Dear Members,
The problem is that Israel and everyone else knows what happened to the Beirut CIA station chief William Buckley when he was kidnapped and sent to the main hospital in Terhran, Iran. He was basically tortured and the doctors there kept him in shape for it. Weeks later all US agents in Lebanon started dropping dead. But it seems the Iranians went to far and he died. Many in the CIA believed that the US should have destroyed that hospital and to h*ll with any innocents.
Last the main worry that Israel has with Syria is the SS-21 which is extremely accurate and the Syrians with Iranian help have developed a reported VX warhead for it.
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondSo Hizbollah threaten to move the captives to Iran and the Israeli’s destroy the runway of the airport ha ha…maybe that will teach them to keep their mouths shut next time 😀
Dear Members,
The problem is that Israel and everyone else knows what happened to the Beirut CIA station chief William Buckley when he was kidnapped and sent to the main hospital in Terhran, Iran. He was basically tortured and the doctors there kept him in shape for it. Weeks later all US agents in Lebanon started dropping dead. But it seems the Iranians went to far and he died. Many in the CIA believed that the US should have destroyed that hospital and to h*ll with any innocents.
Last the main worry that Israel has with Syria is the SS-21 which is extremely accurate and the Syrians with Iranian help have developed a reported VX warhead for it.
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondHello,
I am looking for pictures and specifications that show actual dispersion of rockets (especially different warheads, sizes and conditions like wind and launch range).For some reason there are almost no pictures of rockets actually impacting (instead of just being fired).
Does anyone know of online pictures showing dispersion or impacts?
Does anyone have good references?Thank you
Dear Member,
I have the photos of the Oerlikon 80mm with the fins that slide down the body on launch.
I know a USN pilot who is retired who studied the subject during the Vietnam War and after and basically fold-fin rockets are innaccurate and have a wide dispersion. The reason all the fins do not fold out evenly or at all. The Canadians worked on this problem with the CVR-7 by having some spin to force them out and a shear pin that lets them be spring loaded.
With fixed fin they are more accurate (eg the 80mm Oerlikon). But you can have problems there. During the 1967 War the Israelis learned that the French fixed fin rockets were not as accurate because the fins were not solid enough were the US 5 inch HVAR was extremely accurate because of its extremely stiff fins.
Jack E. Hammond
jackehammondSweden? Scud launchers? Can you explain? Sounds very unlikely to me.
Dear Member,
JEEZ! Not this again. Sweden’s truck maker Volvo sold Iraq some semi trucks which in a military parade Sweden discovered the Iraqi military industry had converted to tow a trailer that was used as a launcher for the longer range SCUD missiles that the Iraqis had developed. The claim is like condemning a company for supplying sand to a nation and it is discovered that the sand had been used to fill sandbags for fortifications. Or a sale of food and found out it was used by military people.
Jack E. Hammond
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